Packers should show Brad Jones that video.
Packers should show Brad Jones that video.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Packers should just beat Brad Jones. His play is borderline abuse anyway.
Colts Robert Mathis, who was serving a 4 game suspension, is our for season with a torn achilles. Now that's a guy having a bad season. http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/08/rob...achilles-colts
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Ouch, wtf? Wow does that suck for him, and since he did it working out on his own, I assume it will be classified as an NFI.Originally Posted by Joemailman
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On another note, his claim is that he and his wife are trying to have a baby, and he took some fertility drugs, which is the cause of his suspension!
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Giants looking as bad as they did in the preseason.
I am not fan of the hypocrisy. But you hit the nail on the head with this portion. The fact that both of them said he hit her wasn't enough. They needed the video to become public before it became an offense too far.
And assuming the police had the video, why weren't charges pressed against either? Forget the plea deal.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ay-rice-video/
PFT earning its right to be wrong and dumb the rest of the year with this piece.
The Ravens fumbled the ball in the first instance. With $25 million invested in the player over two seasons and the entire organization wired to believe the version of the events shared by Rice and his wife, someone with a law degree should have said, “Video of what happened in the elevator exists, Ray’s lawyer in the criminal case surely has it, and we should insist that Ray produce it.”
Instead, the Ravens accepted at face value characterizes of what happened. Characterizations that ultimately were incorrect. Whispers emerged of extreme provocation from Janay Palmer Rice, culminating in the then-future Mrs. Rice spitting in Ray’s face. In the aftermath of the Rice punishment, weeks after the suspension had been resolved, one member of the Ravens organization privately advised caution when describing the contact from Ray to Janay as a punch.
Maybe that person meant to say that caution should be exercised when describing it only as a punch.
It’s no surprise that the Ravens bought Rice’s story. They wanted to believe him. They needed to believe him. And with Janay Palmer Rice apparently supporting his version of the events (in part by apologizing at a press conference for her role in the situation) and prosecutors allowing (inexplicably, in hindsight) Rice to enter a diversionary program, the Ravens opted to give Rice, otherwise a model citizen, the benefit of the doubt.
But that’s when someone with the education and experience and an understanding of the criminal justice system should have explained to the folks in the organization without those skills and abilities: (1) the importance of corroborating Rice’s version by watching the tape; and (2) the ease with which the tape could have been gotten.
Rice’s criminal defense lawyer had the tape. He was entitled to the tape as part of the discovery process in the criminal prosecution. Rice, by virtue of the fact that the lawyer works ultimately for Rice, needed only to direct the lawyer to forward the tape to Rice, so that he could in turn give it to the Ravens.
It possible that Rice or his lawyer would have resisted. And that’s where the Ravens had to be willing to say to Rice, “Ray, you’re not putting on a helmet until we see the tape.”
The NFL compounded the error by not engaging in a similar analysis. Undoubtedly influenced by the prosecution’s willingness to give Rice the rough equivalent of a pass and by the team’s convenient and self-serving acceptance of his version of the events, the NFL opted not to insist on seeing the tape.
How could the league office not have been curious about viewing a piece of video that was destined to be leaked? Assuming that such basic curiosity existed, how did the league not realize that, despite the lack of subpoena power or similar authority to obtain the tape, they needed to simply go to the man whose lawyer already had the tape?
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I don't get how the video changed anything. He hit her, we've known that for a while. I'm not trying to be obtuse, but how does a video showing us what we already knew happened, and he admitted to, change anything? Was it any more violent, or reveal anything we didn't already know?
Maybe the NFL is reacting to the backlash from the fans and used it as an excuse to revisit the punishment?
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There is hypocrisy at work, but the video removes any doubt one could conjure about what happened on the elevator. It also brings in nearly every demographic to the event because now the worst of the confrontation can be shown on TV rather than suspected or inferred.
But Florio's argument that I was interested in, was that the this video was clearly available at the time of the incident and the NFL and the Ravens did nothing to secure it. Or they are now lying and the suspension is because of publicity, not a closely held commitment to personal conduct.
Either way, they are incompetent and opportunistic.
And that doesn't even get to the issue of the police handling of this matter.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
If I understand your position PB I completely agree.
This was a criminal investigation. Law enforcement obviously obtained the tapes. As part of due process the defense attorney would have gotten the tapes. TMZ got a cell phone recording of the ass end of one of the tapes, not the original if I recall.
My points as follows....
1) Why would law enforcement share video with a private company during a criminal investigation....they wouldn't.
2) Could the NFL force the defense attorney to cough up the video during a criminal investigation through intimidation? I don't know, but I'd fight that tooth and nail under the simple concept of this is a criminal investigation, anything you get will be when this is resolved.
3) If the video was so easily available why didn't TMZ have the whole tape as surely they would have killed for that on their site. Answer: They had to settle for some security gaurds leaked video of the video.
4) Why not ask the casino for the video? Why in the fuck would they be anxious to hand that out to a private company. It makes their casino look bad and wouldn't law enforcement ask them to keep this under wraps during the investigation? If all you had to do was ask wouldn't TMZ have had that plastered all over immediately after asking the second they realized who did what?
Was watching CNN and they were discussing the Rice video. Must have shown that video 10 times or more during the discussion. As a society, we claim to be abhorred by what happened, but we sure love watching that shit. Meanwhile, the victim has had her privacy violated over and over and over. Tough luck for her. It's good for ratings.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
1. The NFL has on its security roster former FBI, DEA and Homeland Security officials. For years the League has hired ex-FBI to run its security business. They regularly get to look at police reports. By and large, police reports are made public shortly after they are submitted. And this situation is no different. Even the League acknowledges they asked for everything the State Police had but are claiming that the elevator interior video was not turned over. By inference, that means they had all the other material. *
2. Conversation the League has with Rice's attorney/agent: You know, this would go much faster if we had access to ALL the video. Otherwise Ray could be suspended indefinitely until we get to the bottom of this. Can they force him? Nope. But a few million dollars is a lot of leverage.
3. TMZ may not have had the video but here is a list of people who got reports about the content of the video early this summer which, in this case, turned out to be accurate: Chris Mortenson, Peter King, Jane McManus (ESPN), and Adam Schefter. These reports were sourced to the League. The AP today got a longer and higher quality copy of the tapes. A significant number of people, including some eyewitnesses to the argument and aftermath, were privy to details.
4. I don't know why they didn't ask the casino. TMZ has a guy saying the NFL did send people to view it which is the simplest explanation for all subsequent events, but that report lacks detail. I can see the NFL wanting to stick to official sources.
If they want to stick to official sources, then my guess is that they were satisfied someone they trusted got a look at it and the defense attorney, Rice and Palmer agreed on the basic events. If this is indeed the case, then the NFL is incompetent because multiple copies existed of the video, they weren't in control of more copies being made, and they were basing their decision in part on 2nd hand viewing.
They miscalculated that the video was partially exculpatory or, at worst, showed both parties at fault, which was the message the Defense Attorney was sending. That is leaving a HUGE loose end if you are investigating this.
* The League has said in a statement they knew the video existed in the hands of the NJ State Police, which has been denied by the NJ State Police because they cover the only the space devoted to gambling for Atlantic City casinos. The Atlantic City Police would cover the rest of the building's interior.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I agree that was a huge loose end. I think maybe waiting until the ;egal process was over would have been the route to go...(maybe they did, I don't have the timeline in front of me). Once the DA cut a deal there would have been no reason for the defense attorney to withhold it any longer. Then he could have applied all the screws to get that tape and know one way or another.
One other thing, the first leaked video of the tape was public so the NFL didn;t need law ebforcement to turn it over. Thus, I'm not sure what they got from the police.
Much speculation, accusations, etc, I favor Occam's razor, everybody involved said or did things to maximize profit or minimize losses/careers.
Could this be the end of the Goodell era?
I don't buy at all that the League didn't know about the video until the day TMZ showed it. They hoped that they could skate by with some nominal punishment and that the public would simply forget about it like most other news stories. It's biting them in the ass now.
All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!
The end of the Goodell era? A simple event like this, that in the long run will cost the league no money? After Goodell has presided over an era of unprecedented profits and been part of a negotiation with the players that resulted in a CBA heavily in favour of the owners?
Not a chance in hell.
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He's not going anywhere, I don't think.
They also aren't claiming they didn't know about the video. They are claiming they didn't see it.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Roger hasn't been heard from in so long he's on milk cartons wondering where he is. Anybody still think he's going to keep his job?
All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!
Gotta agree with Guiness on this one. One goof won't cost him his job.
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