The rules, where the QB is protected far more than the past is making qbs who can move more valuable as their injury risk is going down. That has more to do with it than Vick. Also, I have been influenced by Patlers history lesson and would say, "Vick didn't revolutionize anything"
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The rules only protect QBs who stay in the pocket, once they leave the pocket they are fair game.Originally Posted by JustinHarrell
...until he slides......
Certainly anyone would take Vick over Douglas. My point was simply that as a QB he had a season in which he ran more frequently than Vick and for more rushing yards per game than Vick, so the amount of running that Vick has done from the QB position has been seen before.
Don't be too condescending of poor Bobby. He is a former Packer!
Otto Graham wasn't a good runner, but he was an effective runner.
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The year before Vick was drafted, both Daunte Culpepper and Donovan McNabb had about 700 rushing yards and 7 TD's as well as being among the NFL's top passers. So I don't get the idea that Vick was some sort of trend-setter. There's no way Vick would have been the #1 pick in the draft without those guys, as well as Cunningham paving the way. Those guys broke down the barriers, not Vick.
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Guess you didn't watch Vick in college.
Meh. Watched the first 4 highlights, all of him running.
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Highlights of Michael Vick running? Get out of town!!!
Just found it interesting that a video posted to show what a great QB Vick is featured a string of running plays.
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Both of those guys scrambled from within conventional O schemes. McNabb even sat for a brief time, as a rookie, to learn the west coast system.
It was thought, at the time, that a scheme would need to be developed to take advantage of Vick's unique skills. Reeves went part of the way there but the called runs were limited. Vick's part in this story is that he bridged two different philosophies among offensive coaches as well as his unique skills.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
What barriers are you talking about. At one point there was a barrier for black QBs, but that really has nothing to do with 'barriers' to a running QB. I guess you could say traditional offensive schemes were a barrier, as coaches as times are reticent to try new things. But most important are skill sets and consequences. Very few QBs have the skill set to run well and pass accurately and then those that run too much get hurt more. The combination of those things kept and keep running-heavy QBs away from starting spots.
Someone (PBmax?) a while ago on these boards suggested that the game might change overall, and that a form of more temporary QB might come into popularity, where coaches dump fewer schemes on a young guy's head and ask him to run more and then expect him to last fewer years. If you see this trend in college ball more and more, it's probably inevitable in the NFL - especially if teams hope to contain salaries. But somehow I doubt this will be a widespread trend, because the combination of skills is just too rare - even if you start stressing it and coaching at the the Pop Warner level on up.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
This tread is racist.
No examples of white QBs that can scramble. Tarkenton
love me some KFCThis tread is racist.
No examples of white QBs that can scramble. Tarkenton
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Scrambled yes. Ran for yardage, not so much. Tarkenton was 6 foot and under 200 lbs.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
If Vick revolutionized the way the position is played, why is it that 13 years after he entered the NFL, there are really only 2 or 3 starting QB's (RGIII, Kaep, Newton), with that style of play?
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"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
NFL still wants you to have a big-time, NFL arm. So they have adjusted their run and pass games some, but still want NFL throws. There aren't many in college who do that, even of there are many more great runners (Tebow, Young, Pryor).
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
About to add Johnny Manziel to that list as well.
Good article on the subject listing all the great running QBs.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-best-for-now/
Jimmy Graham ruled a Tight End. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...em-arbitration
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