Flynn or Tolzien?

[red]

let tolzien get most of the snaps in the next game

then ship him off to st. louis for a mid round pick

the audition was last year in games that mattered, and flynn won hands down

[Pugger]

We better keep both. With all of the injuries starting to mount yet again who's to say Rodgers won't be next?

[pbmax]

Will you read the link provided? Please.

Now, what about my original post wherein there is the possibility that the Packers pay Tolzien enough to keep him on the practice squad?

It does not have to be an either/or question. The Packers are more creative than that and have the cap space.

It IS an either/or question regarding eligibility. He either is or is not eligible. If he doesn't qualify for PS, then pay scale is meaningless.

http://in2theleague.wordpress.com/20...crued-seasons/

Accrued Seasons

Accrued Seasons determine a player’s free agency designations (Art. 8, Sec. 1, 34).

The faster one accrues seasons the faster they can reach free agency, where, especially given the addition of the Rookie Compensation Pool, the bigger money is. If a player hits free agency at a young enough age, they could secure two or three large contracts through free agency.

In order to accrue a season, a player must be on (or should have been on) full pay status for six or more regular season games.

As with players earning Credited Seasons, a player can’t accrue seasons if he is on the Exempt Commissioner Permission List, the Reserve PUP List, a team’s practice squad, or the Injured Reserve List.

You cannot have more than 2 and be eligible for PS even under the new rules. I think without research we can all agree Tolzien met that requirement last season.

Now what about 2011?

Week 1 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 10 K.Williams, S 38 D.Goldson, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 93 I.Williams, DT 96 D.Dobbs
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...F_Gamebook.pdf
Week 2 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 15 M.Crabtree, S 38 D.Goldson, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 93 I.Williams, DT 96 D.Dobbs
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...F_Gamebook.pdf
Week 3 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 B.Edwards, FB 44 M.Norris, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 93 I.Williams, DT 96 D.Dobbs
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...N_Gamebook.pdf
Week 4 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 B.Edwards, FB 44 M.Norris, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 93 I.Williams, DT 96 D.Dobbs
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...I_Gamebook.pdf
Week 5 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 B.Edwards, CB 26 T.Brock, FB 44 M.Norris, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, DT 90 I.Sopoaga
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...F_Gamebook.pdf
Week 6 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 B.Edwards, CB 26 T.Brock, FB 44 M.Norris, G 67 D.Kilgore, G 78 M.Person, NT 93 I.Williams
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...T_Gamebook.pdf

And 2012?

Week 1 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 19 T.Ginn, RB 23 L.James, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, TE 81 G.Celek, NT 93 I.Williams
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf
Week 2 Did Not Play Actives: QB 3 S.Tolzien, QB 7 C.Kaepernick, LB 51 C.Haggans
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...F_Gamebook.pdf
Week 3 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 A.Jenkins, WR 19 T.Ginn, RB 23 L.James, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, NT 93 I.Williams
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...N_Gamebook.pdf
Week 4 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 A.Jenkins, RB 23 L.James, S 30 T.Robinson, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, NT 90 I.Sopoaga
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...J_Gamebook.pdf
Week 5 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 A.Jenkins, RB 23 L.James, S 30 T.Robinson, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, NT 93 I.Williams
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...F_Gamebook.pdf
Week 6 Not Active: QB 3 S.Tolzien, WR 17 A.Jenkins, RB 23 L.James, S 30 T.Robinson, RB 45 B.Jacobs, G 66 J.Looney, NT 93 I.Williams
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...F_Gamebook.pdf

That is 3 seasons at full pay for minimum of six games and on the roster, not PS, IR or other. He has earned three accrued seasons, he is not eligible for the PS even under the new rules.

[sharpe1027]

After his flops elsewhere, does Flynn have any value outside of the Packers? If not, would he will still be available even if they cut him? I suspect that they go with Tolzein and keep Flynn on their speed dial.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm starting to think it's 50/50 for Flynn. Tolzien may have shown enough to think he could be a solid backup, and he has more potential. I still think back to last year, and I'm not sure the brass is ready to go through that again. Both guys have shown they belong on an NFL roster.

[vince]

I'm with Joe on Tolzien. He needs to prove he can put points on the board. Notwithstanding the outstanding grab be Gillette - after the gift unsportsmanlike gave them another set of downs after the play in which the field goal team was coming on the field - I'm not sure he's shown that he can consistently deliver that yet. Maybe he has in practice. Flynn didn't play great last game but he was hurt by a drop at the goal line by Adams and going back to st. Louis one by Dorsey as well on a couple good throws in the red zone.

Drive for show and putt for dough.

[Guiness]

I'm with Joe on Tolzien. He needs to prove he can put points on the board. Notwithstanding the outstanding grab be Gillette - after the gift unsportsmanlike gave them another set of downs after the play in which the field goal team was coming on the field - I'm not sure he's shown that he can consistently deliver that yet. Maybe he has in practice. Flynn didn't play great last game but he was hurt by a drop at the goal line by Adams and going back to st. Louis one by Dorsey as well on a couple good throws in the red zone.

Drive for show and putt for dough.

Rex 'Sex Cannon' Grossman would disagree! Drive for show ALL THE TIME!

[George Cumby]

Flynn has shown he can win games, Tolzien has yet to do that.

How much upside do we need in a back-up QB?

But Ted always throws us for a loop come cut downs, history shows; 3 fullbacks anyone?

[Patler]

Flynn has shown he can win games, Tolzien has yet to do that.

How much upside do we need in a back-up QB?

But Ted always throws us for a loop come cut downs, history shows; 3 fullbacks anyone?

Agreed. I'll take a calm, proven performer with somewhat less potential over the unproven player with a potentially higher ceiling for my back up QB that I hope to never play.

3 fullbacks and 5 TEs were interesting, to say the least. But I'm not sure he can ever top the brief period of no backup QBs that he gave us last year at the end of camp!

[pbmax]

He does have three accrued seasons, so the GameBook adventure wasn't a total loss, but he has never had a qualifying number of games on the Active roster in one of those seasons.

Citing that rule, a league spokesman said: "Tolzien is eligible to be on the practice squad. … While Tolzien does have three accrued seasons, he's never been on an active roster for nine or more games in any of those three [seasons]."

Tolzien has been on the 46-man game-day roster for 11 career games, but it was broken up over two seasons. He dressed for eight games last year with the Packers and three in 2012 with the San Francisco 49ers. Tolzien was on the 49ers roster for all of 2011, but was inactive for all 16 games that season.

Demovsky: http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-pa...e-squad-status

[pbmax]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 4m
Tolzien made it by one game. He was active for 8 with a single-season maximum of 9. His 8 weeks on PS counted as 1 of his 3 eligible seasons

[Patler]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 4m
Tolzien made it by one game. He was active for 8 with a single-season maximum of 9. His 8 weeks on PS counted as 1 of his 3 eligible seasons

My mistake was in thinking he had been on the 49ers PS for two years, which would have made last year his third and final. Why didn't anyone correct me when I wrote things like this??:

As I understand it, a player can still spend only three years on practice squads. Tolzien has used those up.

They made some changes to practice squad eligibility of players who have been on active rosters, but I don't think that helps Tolzien at all because he has already used up his three years on practice squads.

[pbmax]

My mistake was in thinking he had been on the 49ers PS for two years, which would have made last year his third and final. Why didn't anyone correct me when I wrote things like this??:

Do you have a source that makes it clear the exact roster designation of a player?

Because to determine his accrued seasons, I had to dig into six game books each for the 49ers for two seasons. Once I got to six, I stopped looking. To figure out he was NOT on the PS by that method, I would have had to look at all 16 games.

[Patler]

Do you have a source that makes it clear the exact roster designation of a player?

Because to determine his accrued seasons, I had to dig into six game books each for the 49ers for two seasons. Once I got to six, I stopped looking. To figure out he was NOT on the PS by that method, I would have had to look at all 16 games.

Most teams, including the Packers, have all of their transactions listed on their websites going back a lot of years. It's easy to see all signings to their regular rosters and practice squads. It's easy to search a player name and see eveything for him on that team I couldn't find that for the 49ers, so I searched news releases, and found one from when they released him last year that said he had been on their regular roster the full seasons of '11 & '12, but mostly inactive. I took them at their word, and since he was on GB's PS last year....

[KYPack]

My mistake was in thinking he had been on the 49ers PS for two years, which would have made last year his third and final. Why didn't anyone correct me when I wrote things like this??:

Once you broke into the clear, nobody could stop you!

[pbmax]

Once you broke into the clear, nobody could stop you!

Love this, but is it from a movie or TV show? Seems vaguely familiar.

[Patler]

Once you broke into the clear, nobody could stop you!

[bobblehead]

My mistake was in thinking he had been on the 49ers PS for two years, which would have made last year his third and final. Why didn't anyone correct me when I wrote things like this??:

I refuse to correct you until someone makes me a personalized "bobblized" stamp.

[pbmax]

I refuse to correct you until someone makes me a personalized "bobblized" stamp.

First we need to get CaliCheeze a "You've been curdled" stamp.

[Patler]

Last year, Tolzien was in the same situation as Breno Giacomini at one time, I think, going to a PS after two years on regular rosters. The Packers kept Giacomini on their 53 man roster for two years, then cut him his third season and signed him to their practice squad, only to have the Seahawks offer him a regular roster spot a few weeks later.