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    He was an accomplished college pass rusher and they were looking for more pass rush. Always looking for more pass rush.

    Its not that hard to understand why they gave him a chance. My bet is they did not think he would be a contributor in Year 1 anyway, so they had two training camps to try to fit him in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    He was an accomplished college pass rusher and they were looking for more pass rush. Always looking for more pass rush.

    Its not that hard to understand why they gave him a chance. My bet is they did not think he would be a contributor in Year 1 anyway, so they had two training camps to try to fit him in.
    Yes, always looking for pass rush... fine, good, no problem there.

    Where the problem is - the guy is 4 ft tall, and his arms are so short he can't reach into his back pocket to pull out his wallet.

    At least with a guy like Elliot, you can see the physical ability - now that is guy you can work with as an edge rusher. Bradford belongs in the middle, and when they drafted him I thought for sure that's where they'd start him... as it is, they wasted an entire camp trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Yes, always looking for pass rush... fine, good, no problem there.

    Where the problem is - the guy is 4 ft tall, and his arms are so short he can't reach into his back pocket to pull out his wallet.

    At least with a guy like Elliot, you can see the physical ability - now that is guy you can work with as an edge rusher. Bradford belongs in the middle, and when they drafted him I thought for sure that's where they'd start him... as it is, they wasted an entire camp trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
    Seems like nonsense to me. Unless you think he'd make such a great inside linebacker that he'd displace our starters and make an impact as a rookie, its not a wasted camp. You get a productive college DE who jumped 37.5" and give him every chance to be something as an edge rusher. The fact that he could be an ILB is simply a nice plan B a la Brad Jones, Terrell Manning, and Jamari Lattimore. It's a sound strategy. In the meantime, he worked with the same coach as the ILB (Winston Moss is now in charge of both now) and is so far from action on either depth chart that its special teams that matters anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3irty1 View Post
    Seems like nonsense to me. Unless you think he'd make such a great inside linebacker that he'd displace our starters and make an impact as a rookie, its not a wasted camp. You get a productive college DE who jumped 37.5" and give him every chance to be something as an edge rusher. The fact that he could be an ILB is simply a nice plan B a la Brad Jones, Terrell Manning, and Jamari Lattimore. It's a sound strategy. In the meantime, he worked with the same coach as the ILB (Winston Moss is now in charge of both now) and is so far from action on either depth chart that its special teams that matters anyways.
    By description, he kinda sounds like James Harrison. Not sure if measurables line up. But thinking you might have a talent along those lines would also help explain the patience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    He was an accomplished college pass rusher and they were looking for more pass rush. Always looking for more pass rush.

    Its not that hard to understand why they gave him a chance. My bet is they did not think he would be a contributor in Year 1 anyway, so they had two training camps to try to fit him in.
    I think Jayrone Elliot's emergence had something to do with the position switch.
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    Charles Johnson got cut by Cleveland. That's pretty much the end of the road in today's NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosier View Post
    Charles Johnson got cut by Cleveland. That's pretty much the end of the road in today's NFL.
    He was on the 53 for like, 6 hrs.

    Then, they cut him and put him on the practice squad.

    That's a fork, near the end of the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYPack View Post
    He was on the 53 for like, 6 hrs.

    Then, they cut him and put him on the practice squad.

    That's a fork, near the end of the road.
    I am a little surprised. Early in camp I did a little research, and he was getting good press, like the following:

    "The easy things are all the recognizables right away, that he's 6-foot-2 and a half, 215 pounds," Browns general manager Ray Farmer told reporters on Sunday. "He ran a 4.38 40 (yard dash). Those are the easy pieces, but when you watch the tape you like his hands. You like the fact that he can run the routes, and right now it's a young man that put a lot of work to recovering from an ACL injury. You can see that he's big. He's still fast and he can run routes and catch the football."

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    Couple of noteable cuts from other teams I noticed:

    Isaac Sopoaga is listed as cut for the Cardinals. Two seasons ago when he was a free agent for the 49ers I remember claims that he would have been the best DT on our roster. He's 32 now and only started 2 games last year but for a team in need of a NT, he's something.

    Pat Angerer was cut by the Falcons. He was the leading tackler as the MLB for a lot of terrible Colts defenses. He's only 27 now and we've had good luck with our Iowa products.

    The Bengals cut some well knowns including : the Law firm, armchair GM signing Daniel Manning, 250lb 4.40 runner Dontay Moch, and Jerrell Worthy alternate Devon Still.

    The Chiefs cut former Bears deep cover saboteur J'Marcus Webb

    The Saints are cut Champ Bailey and best-FB-in-madden-for-a-decade Greg Jones. Also 1 trick donkey Robert Meachem has been released.

    The Eagles cut Stanford rookie safety Ed Reynolds whom some on this board had fantasized seeing in Green and Gold. Also they cut a classic Ted mold CB in Curtis Marsh.

    The Steelers cut another standout Stanford rookie defensive end Josh Mauro. I'd mocked him to the Packers several times, he looked like a solid 2-gapping DE for a 3-4.

    In keeping with the theme of standouts from an elite Stanford defense getting cut from defensive systems similar to ours, LBs Shayne Skov and Chase Thomas were cut by the 49ers. Trent Murphy must be really good to make all these guys look like NFL players.

    The Tampa Bay Lovie's cut former first round pick Larry English.

    The Washington racial slurs cut Mad's former crush, safety Phillip Thomas. Also former first round pick Everette Brown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3irty1 View Post
    Couple of noteable cuts from other teams I noticed:

    Isaac Sopoaga is listed as cut for the Cardinals. Two seasons ago when he was a free agent for the 49ers I remember claims that he would have been the best DT on our roster. He's 32 now and only started 2 games last year but for a team in need of a NT, he's something.

    Pat Angerer was cut by the Falcons. He was the leading tackler as the MLB for a lot of terrible Colts defenses. He's only 27 now and we've had good luck with our Iowa products.

    The Bengals cut some well knowns including : the Law firm, armchair GM signing Daniel Manning, 250lb 4.40 runner Dontay Moch, and Jerrell Worthy alternate Devon Still.

    The Chiefs cut former Bears deep cover saboteur J'Marcus Webb

    The Saints are cut Champ Bailey and best-FB-in-madden-for-a-decade Greg Jones. Also 1 trick donkey Robert Meachem has been released.

    The Eagles cut Stanford rookie safety Ed Reynolds whom some on this board had fantasized seeing in Green and Gold. Also they cut a classic Ted mold CB in Curtis Marsh.

    The Steelers cut another standout Stanford rookie defensive end Josh Mauro. I'd mocked him to the Packers several times, he looked like a solid 2-gapping DE for a 3-4.

    In keeping with the theme of standouts from an elite Stanford defense getting cut from defensive systems similar to ours, LBs Shayne Skov and Chase Thomas were cut by the 49ers. Trent Murphy must be really good to make all these guys look like NFL players.

    The Tampa Bay Lovie's cut former first round pick Larry English.

    The Washington racial slurs cut Mad's former crush, safety Phillip Thomas. Also former first round pick Everette Brown.
    Always liked Angerer. Good name for a backer, blue collar guy who always kept plugging. After all these years at Mike for Indy, he could probably use the rest.

    Still and Worthy are brothers from different mothers, both bums.

    Sorry to see J'Marcus Webb go, God what a dog's ass.

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    Couple of the film and analyst sites (Football Outsiders and one I do not remember) think Isaac Sopoaga is done and really faded last year. No idea if that's true, but sometimes part-time for less money makes it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3irty1 View Post
    Couple of noteable cuts from other teams I noticed:

    Isaac Sopoaga is listed as cut for the Cardinals. Two seasons ago when he was a free agent for the 49ers I remember claims that he would have been the best DT on our roster. He's 32 now and only started 2 games last year but for a team in need of a NT, he's something.

    Pat Angerer was cut by the Falcons. He was the leading tackler as the MLB for a lot of terrible Colts defenses. He's only 27 now and we've had good luck with our Iowa products.

    The Bengals cut some well knowns including : the Law firm, armchair GM signing Daniel Manning, 250lb 4.40 runner Dontay Moch, and Jerrell Worthy alternate Devon Still.

    The Chiefs cut former Bears deep cover saboteur J'Marcus Webb

    The Saints are cut Champ Bailey and best-FB-in-madden-for-a-decade Greg Jones. Also 1 trick donkey Robert Meachem has been released.

    The Eagles cut Stanford rookie safety Ed Reynolds whom some on this board had fantasized seeing in Green and Gold. Also they cut a classic Ted mold CB in Curtis Marsh.

    The Steelers cut another standout Stanford rookie defensive end Josh Mauro. I'd mocked him to the Packers several times, he looked like a solid 2-gapping DE for a 3-4.

    In keeping with the theme of standouts from an elite Stanford defense getting cut from defensive systems similar to ours, LBs Shayne Skov and Chase Thomas were cut by the 49ers. Trent Murphy must be really good to make all these guys look like NFL players.

    The Tampa Bay Lovie's cut former first round pick Larry English.

    The Washington racial slurs cut Mad's former crush, safety Phillip Thomas. Also former first round pick Everette Brown.
    Interesting bit about English, he was the better performing (in college!) LB team mate of Mathews that got drafted before him!
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    Mauro seems like the kind of player Green Bay would have wanted circa 2011.

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    Reynolds seems to have the instincts, but he's just too limited athletically.

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    Probably not 100% recovered is my guess. We'll see if anything ever becomes of him. A little surprised Green Bay didn't offer him a PS offer sheet. Then again, maybe he just prefers the city of Cleveland.

    That would seem to speak poorly of his drive to succeed in the NFL, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    Probably not 100% recovered is my guess. We'll see if anything ever becomes of him. A little surprised Green Bay didn't offer him a PS offer sheet. Then again, maybe he just prefers the city of Cleveland.

    That would seem to speak poorly of his drive to succeed in the NFL, though...
    CJ is a mixed bag. Some good, some bizarre. I've known of him for years. He's from Elsmere KY & played at Erlanger LLoyd. Their field is 100 ft from my Mother-in-law's lawn. He was KY's #1 recruit coming out of HS. Big battle between U of Lou & Univ of KY to sign him. Louisville wins. Johnson has to go to college prep classes so he can start with his class and play ball with the Cards. When late August rolls around, the coaches discover he hadn't attended a class or cracked book 1. UL bounced him from their program and he xferred to Eastern KY in Richmond. Within a month, there was a dispute over stolen laptops and he was bounced from his second college pgm. Then he went to a SoCal JC and fucked that up. His next move was a small JC around here. People tell me he didn't finish that one. Eventually, he wound up at Grand Valley Ste down in Texas. He's got 3 kids and a JCal degree of sorts. He's big, scary fast and just learning how to run pass routes. If he'd bear down and learn his NFL job, he might make it. He's supposed to be a great kid, but a total air head.

    Wish him the best, but I doubt he makes it. Too bad, he's got an NFL body, just not the mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYPack View Post
    CJ is a mixed bag. Some good, some bizarre. I've known of him for years. He's from Elsmere KY & played at Erlanger LLoyd. Their field is 100 ft from my Mother-in-law's lawn. He was KY's #1 recruit coming out of HS. Big battle between U of Lou & Univ of KY to sign him. Louisville wins. Johnson has to go to college prep classes so he can start with his class and play ball with the Cards. When late August rolls around, the coaches discover he hadn't attended a class or cracked book 1. UL bounced him from their program and he xferred to Eastern KY in Richmond. Within a month, there was a dispute over stolen laptops and he was bounced from his second college pgm. Then he went to a SoCal JC and fucked that up. His next move was a small JC around here. People tell me he didn't finish that one. Eventually, he wound up at Grand Valley Ste down in Texas. He's got 3 kids and a JCal degree of sorts. He's big, scary fast and just learning how to run pass routes. If he'd bear down and learn his NFL job, he might make it. He's supposed to be a great kid, but a total air head.

    Wish him the best, but I doubt he makes it. Too bad, he's got an NFL body, just not the mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3irty1 View Post
    Grand Valley State is near Grand Rapids, Michigan.
    Yeah, yer right. He's been around. Johnson is a funny kid. From what I've heard he's a real nice guy and has always worked, he just ain't much of a scholar. He just worked around here for a time, no school or football. So he falls off the map for awhile. He's got 3 kids and I've heard maybe some more, so he's got incentive to earn a paycheck.

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