Flynn Tolzien do-over

[Bretsky]

We saw last year what the quality of QBs looks like on the street. Of course Tolzien will find a team if cut, Flynn too in time.

I do think Patler's idea of just going with Flynn makes some sense, given his low evaluation of Tolzien.

I don't see anybody voting for just keeping Flynn.

Still pissed at Tolzien for mucking up the TCU game

Keep Flynn !!

[George Cumby]

Agree with the logic, inverse ranking.

+1

[Patler]

We saw last year what the quality of QBs looks like on the street. Of course Tolzien will find a team if cut, Flynn too in time.

I do think Patler's idea of just going with Flynn makes some sense, given his low evaluation of Tolzien.

I don't see anybody voting for just keeping Flynn.

Huh? Mostly we saw Tolzien last year, who didn't have much success in game results and Flynn who did. Tolzien was with GB for 10 weeks before he was asked to play. Flynn bounced around between three (?) teams, sat at home a few weeks, was in GB for something like 5 practices and saved the seaaon.

[3irty1]

Keep Flynn, try to get Tolzien to the PS. If you lose him, don't sweat it. It is unlikely they will need three anyway.

I don't think either one of them will be in that great of a demand on the waiver wire. Not many teams keep three QBs on their regular rosters anymore, and most will go with one they have had through out TC. Injuries, of course, can change that thinking for any team. The "worry" might be SF, if some of you are correct in stating their backups have been bad, since they have experience with Tolzien.

Is he eligible?

[pbmax]

Is he eligible?

Yes.

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 6h
Clearing up Scott Tolzien's practice-squad eligibility. Guess what? He's eligible, the NFL says. #Packers
http://es.pn/1vStz5b

[Zool]

Sign Tolzien to give up his seat on the couch of his living room, or sign some other QB who probably has more actual playing experience than Tolzien.

I'd much rather the guy with 1.5 years in the playboy who's been at practice, team meetings, games etc.

[KYPack]

HH, I don't exactly get your zeal for Tolzien.

Flynn is the team's back-up, Tozien is extra insurance.

FLYNN IN THE FOURTH
In Green Bay’s comeback win at Dallas in Week 15 last season, QB Matt
Flynn had a strong showing in the fourth quarter, connecting on nine of 12
passes for 99 yards and two TDs for a 138.5 passer rating.
After coming on in relief of QB Scott Tolzien in the second half of the
Week 12 contest, Flynn had had a lot of success in the fourth quarter of
games. He posted a 125.5 passer rating in the final quarter, completing
33 of 46 passes for 383 yards and four TDs with no INTs.
Flynn’s fourth-quarter passer rating in Weeks 12-17 ranked No. 1 in
the NFL over that span:
In the Week 15 win at Dallas, Flynn became the first QB in franchise history
to throw four TD passes in a second half. He was one of four NFL
quarterbacks to do so last season:

Player Passing TDs (2nd Half)
1. Peyton Manning, vs. Bal., 9/5/13 5
2t. Matt Flynn, at Dal., 12/15/13 4
2t. Andrew Luck, at Cin., 12/8/13 4
2t. Tony Romo, at Den., 10/6/13 4

Flynn is walking in some tall cotton in elite company.
Tozien is still eligible for the practice squad.

It ain't like, close.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Still pissed at Tolzien for mucking up the TCU game

Keep Flynn !!

OK, I can respect this. Vengeance is good, it has a long tradition.
My problem is with the posters suffering from Low T who can't bring themselves to promote Tolzien over Flynn, yet they also can't decide to cut Tolzien, they want to hang on to him to try again in a year. Nothing will be different in a year. If you think Tolzien stinks, cut him and free a roster spot.

[Harlan Huckleby]

HH, I don't exactly get your zeal for Tolzien.

Flynn is the team's back-up, Tozien is extra insurance.

I don't actually have any zeal for Tolzien, just some manufactured enthusiasm for recreational purposes.
Tolzien looks significantly better than Flynn this preseason, so I say give him a spin. Your statement there that Flynn is unchallengable is odd.

Tozien is still eligible for the practice squad.

Ya, so is Eddie Lacy. Tolzien isn't going to clear waivers.
This talk of the practice squad is just a crutch to make the decision seem easier.

Look at the poll, nobody can bring themselves to just cut Tolzien outright! I'm going back to watching The View, more virile.

[Pugger]

Lets see Tolzien against the #1s because last year he was bad against a few teams' number 1 D.

Of course last year he was thrown into the fire after Wallace got hurt and really didn't know the offense like he does now so I don't put a lot of weight on his performances last year. If I can find an online feed of the game tonight I will be watching both Scot and Matt closely.

[Pugger]

Huh? Mostly we saw Tolzien last year, who didn't have much success in game results and Flynn who did. Tolzien was with GB for 10 weeks before he was asked to play. Flynn bounced around between three (?) teams, sat at home a few weeks, was in GB for something like 5 practices and saved the seaaon.

And Scott was on the practice squad until Rodgers got hurt and then he had to be Wallace's backup. A guy on the PS doesn't get any reps so he was truly green when he was forced to play after Wallace got hurt.

[Harlan Huckleby]

OK, so Patler is a real man.

[Patler]

And Scott was on the practice squad until Rodgers got hurt and then he had to be Wallace's backup. A guy on the PS doesn't get any reps so he was truly green when he was forced to play after Wallace got hurt.

A QB on PS does get to study the playbook, so Flynn had 10 weeks of that. He does get to do film study with the other QBs, so Flynn had 10 weeks of that. He does get to watch the #1 & #2 run the offense, so Flynn had 10 weeks of watching and learning from watching Rodgers & Wallace. He gets to run the scout team, so he had practice with mechanics. He should have been as prepared or more prepared than Fynn was when he came in. Flynn even remarked at how much the offense had changed since he was last there.

I'm not saying he was as prepared as he might be now, but 2 1/2 months into the season the excuse wears thin. It's his job to get prepared, and Tolzien is reputed to be a tireless worker in that regard. I will give him some slack, but not a lot. He was in his third year in the league, with two full seasons on the 49ers 53 man roster.

Even this year so far, Tolzien gets yards, but tends to come up short on getting points.

I just don't think he has done enough to get beyond the proven commodity that Flynn is for the Packers. Maybe he will eventually, but he really has not shown that yet this preseason.

[Guiness]

A QB on PS does get to study the playbook, so Tolzien had 10 weeks of that. He does get to do film study with the other QBs, so Tolzien had 10 weeks of that. He does get to watch the #1 & #2 run the offense, so Tolzien had 10 weeks of watching and learning from watching Rodgers & Wallace. He gets to run the scout team, so he had practice with mechanics. He should have been as prepared or more prepared than Fynn was when he came in. Flynn even remarked at how much the offense had changed since he was last there.

I'm not saying he was as prepared as he might be now, but 2 1/2 months into the season the excuse wears thin. It's his job to get prepared, and Tolzien is reputed to be a tireless worker in that regard. I will give him some slack, but not a lot. He was in his third year in the league, with two full seasons on the 49ers 53 man roster.

Even this year so far, Tolzien gets yards, but tends to come up short on getting points.

I just don't think he has done enough to get beyond the proven commodity that Flynn is for the Packers. Maybe he will eventually, but he really has not shown that yet this preseason.

Pretty much how I feel, but I'm pretty sure you swapped the QBs names?

[pbmax]

Film room and QB room and meetings with McAdoo are all well and good. Practice reps as (at best) scout team QB running another team's plays are not as good. Even the team acknowledged that second stringer Wallace didn't get enough first team reps when it was his time to go in.

You need an offseason and training camp to master an offense, especially a player who had not previously started except in exhibitions in another offense.

His performance last year plus his background are not enough to make him the backup unless you are willing to live with underprepared. And given the Packers stashed him on the PS in 2013, they weren't.

But he looks different this year. We have no way to know if it will carry over to the regular season, but it looks much more promising than Flynn so far. One problem is that reporters have said Flynn, despite fitful production in preseason games, has had a good camp.

[Pugger]

All I can say is if we only keep one we'll be miles ahead than this time last year. I don't know if we have the luxury to keep both.

[MadScientist]

Sign Tolzien to give up his seat on the couch of his living room, or sign some other QB who probably has more actual playing experience than Tolzien.

Yea, because signing QB's after TC who had never been in the GB system worked out so well last year.

Tolzien has outplayed Flynn in the preseason, but I suspect that the Packers trust Flynn more because of his regular season track record. For that reason they will probably keep both, with Flynn as the number 2.

[esoxx]

I'd much rather the guy with 1.5 years in the playboy who's been at practice, team meetings, games etc.

To each his own pal. I'd much rather my QB, back up or otherwise, keep his focus on football instead of softcore porn. Take it to the Garbage Can.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Hey, Freak Out weighs in with some grapefruit-sized balls, he cut Tolzien.


I'm going to have some major crow to eat if Tolzien makes it to the practice squad. But I'm expecting Bretsky to be eating the humble pie as soon as tomorrow.

[Zool]

To each his own pal. I'd much rather my QB, back up or otherwise, keep his focus on football instead of softcore porn. Take it to the Garbage Can.

It's all about the articles my good man.