Official Packers vs. Seahawks Discussion Thread

[wist43]

The main reason most are picking the seachickens is because they all think our defense will be the same mess we had last year. It is inconceivable to them that our D could get any better. On other forums with fans of all teams only Packer fans give us much of a chance and when we do we're called hopeless homers. I hope we surprise a few people tonight.

I think we'll be better against the pass. Clinton-Dix is an upgrade, and Hyde, et al have a year of experience under their belts; but...

We were absolutely pathetic against the run last year, and if anything we'll probably be worse... especially considering that dunderdummy doesn't care that much about stopping the run.

Overall, I think we'll be better, but that's not saying much... we were one of the worst defenses in the league last year. We have the talent to be good, but of course the devil himself is our DC...

[3irty1]

The main reason most are picking the seachickens is because they all think our defense will be the same mess we had last year. It is inconceivable to them that our D could get any better. On other forums with fans of all teams only Packer fans give us much of a chance and when we do we're called hopeless homers. I hope we surprise a few people tonight.

Even most Packer fans have a selective memory about our defenses. In 2011 the defense was a turnover machine, gave up a million yards but still wasn't a bottom 10 in points despite an elite offense forcing teams into desperate passing situations all season. 2012 we were actually the 11th best defense in spite of injuries which is overshadowed by the spanking they took in the 49ers game. Even last year the defense started out excellent which just gave them further to fall once the wheels came off.

If the law-of-averages is real and curses are not, a top 10 defense is a reasonable prediction. They have the talent to be top 5, and the history where nobody would be surprised by bottom 5. The thing with these Capers D's has been that once they break, they BREAK.

[call_me_ishmael]

Even most Packer fans have a selective memory about our defenses. In 2011 the defense was a turnover machine, gave up a million yards but still wasn't a bottom 10 in points despite an elite offense forcing teams into desperate passing situations all season. 2012 we were actually the 11th best defense in spite of injuries which is overshadowed by the spanking they took in the 49ers game. Even last year the defense started out excellent which just gave them further to fall once the wheels came off.

If the law-of-averages is real and curses are not, a top 10 defense is a reasonable prediction. They have the talent to be top 5, and the history where nobody would be surprised by bottom 5. The thing with these Capers D's has been that once they break, they BREAK.

Talent to be top 5? They have the worst (or at least most unproven) DL in the NFL. They have the worst pair of ILBs in the league. Boy, I don't know about that one... There safety position is very unsettled. At DB I agree they have a top 5 staff.

I would rate the position groups like this:

DL - Bottom 5
ILB - Bottom 5
OLB - Top 5
CB - Top 5
S - 15-20

I don't see a top 10 D there unfortunately.

[3irty1]

Talent to be top 5? They have the worst (or at least most unproven) DL in the NFL. They have the worst pair of ILBs in the league. Boy, I don't know about that one... There safety position is very unsettled. At DB I agree they have a top 5 staff.

I would rate the position groups like this:

DL - Bottom 5
ILB - Bottom 5
OLB - Top 5
CB - Top 5
S - 15-20

I don't see a top 10 D there unfortunately.

I see a team built to stop the pass exceptionally well combined with an offense that's going to demand shootouts to beat. That should make them better than the sum of their parts. Look at New Orleans last year, they sucked against the run but were still a top 4 defense following the same recipe.

[denverYooper]

The main reason most are picking the seachickens is because they all think our defense will be the same mess we had last year. It is inconceivable to them that our D could get any better. On other forums with fans of all teams only Packer fans give us much of a chance and when we do we're called hopeless homers. I hope we surprise a few people tonight.

Until about the 5th game, most people make their predictions based on what a team was the previous year. There's always a 4 game burn-in for a team due to many factors -- new players, new plays, injuries, etc.

I like the spot the Packers are in right now... they're the dangerous underdogs, always mentioned as "in the conversation" but not the big sexy pick. The popular choices this year seem to be Philly and New Orleans so far.

[Joemailman]

Toughest game on the entire schedule. Packers will show they can compete with the best but they won't win this one.

Hawks 23
Pack 20

[Tony Oday]

Pack win 42-17. Seachickens get down early and Wilson proves he is a middling QB and our defense stops Lynch up the middle.

[Teamcheez1]

Sal Paolantonio of ESPN reports that tonight’s referee is John Parry. That’s significant because Parry’s crew called the most defensive holding and pass interference penalties of any officiating crew during the preseason. Parry’s crew also tied for the most defensive holding and pass interference calls of any officiating crew during the 2013 regular season.

[3irty1]

I didn't realize Seattle was starting a rookie right tackle. Britt was a 2nd rounder that most projected to the 4th or 5th. He struggled big against Georgia's 3-4 last year. His run blocking is ahead of his pass blocking at this time. He was particularly vulnerable to wide speed off the edge.

Drawing Matthews/Peppers for your first NFL debut is a tough gig.

[Zool]

Never forget

[Joemailman]

A short, but good article about the game 2 years ago, especially the atrocious first half. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...oss-in-seattle

By the way, someone who picked the Packers to win tonight should probably start the Game Day Thread.

[Cheesehead Craig]

A short, but good article about the game 2 years ago, especially the atrocious first half. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...oss-in-seattle

By the way, someone who picked the Packers to win tonight should probably start the Game Day Thread.

Isn't this also the Game Day Thread? Or does there have to be an official separate one?

[Joemailman]

Isn't this also the Game Day Thread? Or does there have to be an official separate one?

There needs to be a separate one.

[Cheesehead Craig]

There needs to be a separate one.

Never started one before, but will be happy to do so, unless someone else is supposed to do it.

[Joemailman]

Never started one before, but will be happy to do so, unless someone else is supposed to do it.

Go for it! Just don't forget to use the word official.

[Freak Out]

Lots of talk on the waves that the Center Position will be the Packers downfall tonight. I'm not buying it.

[Pugger]

Lots of talk on the waves that the Center Position will be the Packers downfall tonight. I'm not buying it.

And literally not a word of concern about their rookie RT. I hope Clay and Peppers has that kid's head spinning by halftime.

[wist43]

And literally not a word of concern about their rookie RT. I hope Clay and Peppers has that kid's head spinning by halftime.

I'd imagine that Pete Carroll is smart enough to give the guy some help... whereas MM will just throw a guy to the wolves without consideration for the fact that the guy might be overmatched (Newhouse comes to mind).

My guess is you'll see the TE lined up over there most of the time, and a lot of chipping by the TE and RB.

[Fritz]

I'd imagine that Pete Carroll is smart enough to give the guy some help... whereas MM will just throw a guy to the wolves without consideration for the fact that the guy might be overmatched (Newhouse comes to mind).

My guess is you'll see the TE lined up over there most of the time, and a lot of chipping by the TE and RB.

Just a reminder, Wist, that life is good.

[wist43]

Just a reminder, Wist, that life is good.

Isn't she the chick with 'da man hands'??

Since about about 1/4 of the world's population is made up of asian chicks... I have a lot of inventory to go thru b/4 I'd have to lower myself to a white chick with 'da man hands'