No, that's called a fantastically designed play that even defeated Saban's defense. Sometimes you get caught in the wrong defense and the O gets one on you. When you have a rookie safety who did not react fast enough, that's even worse for the D.Originally Posted by wist43
Most of the other monster misdirection plays the Packers have been allowing are players not being cognizant of the backside of the defense and over-committing play side.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
And who put them in that position?? Who put them in those positions to fail?? Who did not prepare them to recognize what was coming??
You and 3irty1 are the two biggest apologists for failure I've ever seen... truly amazing. Do you guys work in government?? Your motto should be - FAILURE IS AN OPTION!!!
wist
You think an offense has never caught a defense unprepared with a play? How many times have you seen a read-option pass to the weak side with a one receiver route?
You think there is some magical defensive alignment and scheme that allows both attack and is solid from sideline to sideline with no weakness against ANY play call?
A magical defense that never lets an opponent get into free space and catch a ball? A defense that doesn't have, even hidden, an exposed pressure point?
The problem with your litany of complaints is that it ranges from the mundane to the exotic. Run defense in nickel and dime is a problem. Preparing for every unknown read option wrinkle is not.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Of course you're going to get beat - once in a while; of course a team is going to get the better of you - once in a while; of course you're going to zig when you should have zagged...
We're not witnessing any of that - what we're witnessing is play after play failure; game after game failure; season after season failure... it's the same crap over and over again.
I'm not the bad guy here - I'm just pointing out the obvious, or at least what should be obvious. You guys seem to lack the stones to call a spade a spade - when is enough ever enough for you kool-aid drinkers??
You guys don't believe in accountability - lucky for you, neither does MM or TT.
wist
Wist, I think you are hung up on the DC and his schemes, So you blame the coach and the x's & O's. I tend to think it is the Jimmys and the Joe's. There is a problem in the execution and players are ultimately responsible. Peppers and others got sucked in last week and gave up some big plays.
One way or the other, we got troubles. We are dead last in rushing D in the NFL. Last with a bullet. We are the only team that has allowed over 700 yards rushing this season. Our opponents average 176 yds/gm. That's also worst in the NFL. Hell, Oakland is only allowing 158/gm. We've given up 42 rushing first downs, also the worst number of all 32 teams. Oakland has only allowed 32 rushing 1st dns. Many times, excessive totals happen because a team has been gashed by long rushes. Not us. We've only given up 3 runs over twenty and none over forty. We are getting pounded by the run in smaller chunks than the other shitty rushing D's.
If this don't pick up, we'll be lucky to wind up 8-8.
We have played some excellent running ball clubs and we will have better numbers when we play some of the more pedestrian running clubs.
But, we will get embarrassed in the play-offs if we don't turn around our rushing D.
Totally agree. So, there's the big question...how will they do it? So is it poor scheme or poor execution of scheme? While that debate rages on, can someone give us some hope here? McCarthy said in his press conferences following the game that the mistakes he is seeing with the run D are all correctable. I hope he's right. OK, putting aside whether Capers should stay or go for now (he's staying the rest of the year at least), what will they be correcting specifically? What adjustments might they make? Is it just guys getting pushed around? Is it guys out of position, losing gap responsibility?
Let's not forget we're all Packer fans. I hope they can get these problems worked out.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
If a DC is putting his players in positions to be successful - and then they are not making plays, are not making the tackle, are not forcing the play inside, et al, whatever their responsibility is - then you can say it is on the players.
But when a DC is putting his players in impossible situations, or such difficult situations that it is calling for the player to make a superhuman play - then there is something wrong with what the DC is doing.
As I said to Max - once in a while?? sure... it's gonna happen, and a defense is going to be out of position, or outschemed on a given play, etc; but we're not seeing a bad play call here and there, or a bad game plan on occassion, or a couple of bad games per season, etc. What we're seeing is a mess on just about every snap, in every game for the past 4 seasons.
And it is philosophical - Capers does not view controlling the LOS and being stout up the middle as being important, and it is painfully obvious. We are dead last in rush defense - and we have been utterly pathetic in just about every aspect of playing defense for years running now.
What Capers is doing is fundamentally unsound - I don't know how else to say it. If something is unsound - it will collapse; and that is what we've been witness to for the past 60 games or so... over and over again.
wist
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