I get the feeling you didn't watch the game last night otherwise you might rethink the assertion that Pittsburgh's defense is (in the present tense) better than GBs... they had their glory days with that crew, for sure, but Pittsburgh just got manhandled last night. It was kind of sad to see Brett Keisel just get buried several times.Originally Posted by wist43
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26, a monstrous number. RT @brooksob53 how many tackles did the Steelers miss in all last night?
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
I'm not defending Pittsburgh - I'm indicting our defense... it's all relative.
Our defense is better than someone's I'm sure... just don't know who that could be??
wist
I'm in full agreement with you on Green Bay's defense being bad and Capers being culpable. I was just pointing out that Pittsburgh's defense is no way better than Green Bay's right now. At all. Their age has caught up with them and they no longer have the personnel to pull off the Capers/LeBeau 3-4, which suggests to me that the scheme really requires the players to know what they're doing and to be physically able to keep up with the demands. Green Bay has the former problem, Pittsburgh now has the latter it seems.
Capers being discombobulated trying to match up personnel in the first game might be a function of the newer approach he was supposed to take. It looked bad, though, and the result was not much better than the last few years.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
Pittsburg's defense is not better than ours right now IMO
Perhaps our coach is the difference
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Funny, I was watching the game last night and BALT was running the 2-4. Phil Simms even comment that, "when your two OLBs are as big as the BALT OLBs its like having 4 DL in the game."
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Upshaw is a monster LB.
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1) their personnel are better than ours
2) their DC doesn't put them in unsound, unrecoverable situations with gimmick after gimmick
3) they don't run it exclusively - it is a subpackage, and treated as such
4) their 2nd level players are much bigger than ours
5) they run as much 3-3 as 2-4; again, for them it is a subpackage, not their base
The 2-4 has a place, but you have to have the personnel to run it, and in no way should it be a base. It is a niche subpackage that a defense can do some good things out of - but the way dunderdummy runs it, and the fact that he runs it almost every snap - it is, and has been, a death sentence for our team.
As I've pointed out - no one - no one - runs the 2-4 as much as dunderdummy; and it isn't even close. If we had the players, and have been getting good results?? Yes, run it 24/7... but that isn't the case - is it?? We don't have the players, and the results have been putrid.
Why you guys love watching your team get gashed play after play is beyond me.
wist
This is the part that drives me nuts about the 3-4 in general. It's a defense that relies on trickery and lends itself to gimmicks to succeed. Problem with this is that it may work at the beginning (which is how Capers always gets a great opening start to defenses whereever he goes) but then when you start relying on that too much as Capers does, you start going downhill in a hurry. Gimmicks don't last and Capers shouldn't last here anymore either. Wish they would have fired him back after the 2011-2012 season.
Give me a 4-3 defense any day of the week. Less bullshit and more playing.
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I'm done with AJ Hawk. There was a specific play (3rd/short, 1st Q) where Harvin got a swing pass. Hawk could have blown him up around the Hawks 40 and for some reason backbeddled... then made the tackle (after the 1st down).
Last year it was the safeties, this year its the MLB. Jones/Hawk do not inspire confidence (or fear in an opponent).
I wonder if that (and Peppers) would be part of the reason to run more 4/3 type defenses (to hide a weakness, exploit a talent).
Perhaps, but no ILBs have come off the field. Peppers on the field is allowing Matthews to roam, not substitute.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Wist's eyebrow hairs have grown so long he can't see out from under them any more.
But I will say that Packer defense did suck, once again, last week.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Last week?
Shit.
Since the SB run.
From ESPN Packer Blog:
So Pennel will probably suit up Sunday, but will play only if the Jets don't delay substituting their personnel groups giving Capers time to send Pennel's personnel group into the game without having 10 or 12 Packers on defense.Combine the tackling issues with the fact that the Packers allowed the second-most rushing yards (207) last weekend, and perhaps it's not a surprise that the coaches are leaning toward activating rookie nose tackle Mike Pennel this week against the New York Jets.
Their biggest defensive linemen, the 332-pound Pennel was one of last week's seven mandatory inactive players.
"Well he's certainly a big guy," defensive coordinator Dom Capers said Thursday. "I think he'll have a role. It will probably depend on what personnel groups we’re in based off what they give us."
Pennel, an undrafted rookie from Colorado State-Pueblo, was impressive from the outset of training camp and has seen his practice snaps increase this week.
"We've been trying to get him some reps in practice where if we decide to go that direction, he'd be ready to play a role," Capers said.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
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anyone else read this?
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/11/packer...ense-problems/
it got a big "no duh" from me. but its nice to see peter king agree with me that our d-line is way to small
to sum up, for you lazy fucks who don't want to read it. he says our defense and the pats d sucked hard last year, and after one game it looks like neither team fixed the problems. he does think the pats can recover, he has no hope for GB
heres a quote from 2008 right after sanders got fired and capers hired
he then mentions that many of the players that have been brought in since that time have been 4-3 players“Really, what it came down to, I just didn’t feel that we were headed in the right direction on the defensive side of the ball,” McCarthy said then of the switch from Sanders to Capers. “From a personnel standpoint, I’m in favor of the 3-4 because it’s the body type that I think will enhance the type of football we want to play here in Green Bay, particularly in November and December. … It is an excellent run defense.”
he also mentions the chilling fact that green bays D was ranked 27th in sanders last year when fat mike decided to make the switch. capers D also finished 27th last year, and could be worse this year
Last edited by red; 09-12-2014 at 04:45 PM.
Thanks, Red, that was a good article, except I think the Packers can fix what's ailing them if TT, Stubby and Capers are able to step back and take "a more objective look at their personnel" right now. That starts with giving Pennel and Boyd some serious playing time, along with Daniels and Datone Jones on the D-line. The LB's that should get the lion's share of playing time are Matthews, Peppers, Lattimore, Neal and Perry.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
I'll give Dom credit on this one. The defense got gashed for the first 19 minutes of the game for 180 yds and 3 TDs on 3 drives. Then for the last 41 minutes it was 8 drives for 133 yds with 3 pts, 5 punts and a turnover along with a 4th quarter stop on 4th down. He realized what he was doing wasn't working and changed things up. I've criticized him for his lack of adjustments, but he did a real good job on Sunday. They didn't get gashed on the ground after those 3 drives and the pass rush was real good as well. The beginning was awful, but I'll give credit when credit's due.
All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!
I am not sure how much was adjustments. There was a lot of 4-3, jumbo nickel (Boyd and Guion).
There might have been, oddly enough, less of Matthews at roving LB with Peppers-Jones-Daniels-Neal up front. That unit got gashed several times straight up the middle. Saw a lot more Lattimore later in the game.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Gotta love that single Vick play that Mathews got a sack on! (especially since I've got Mathews in a FF league
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We were completely outcoached to open the game - that's all on dunderdummy. He did adjust, but getting throttled like that to open a game, against an anemic offensive team?? No excuse for that.
The Jets simply don't have any firepower on the outside or at TE, and their QB is not very good - yet dunderdummy can't get it right out of the gate?? And gets gashed by more option plays??
This was the Jets - and we were a semi-bogus TO call away from being tied with them late in the 4th quarter?? What's wrong with that picture??
One play that stands out to me is Geno Smith's easy run up the middle for a 1st down. I've been saying for a long time now that Capers doesn't care about the middle of the LOS, and that play was evidence enough of how out of touch Capers is with something that is essential to playing good defense, i.e. controlling the LOS, and being tough up the middle.
I don't expect we'll be able to stand up to Detroits physicality - they stomped us 40-10 in our last meeting... Rodgers was missing then, so the score will be closer this time, but Detroit is so much more physical than our ballarina team, that I expect they'll punch us in the mouth, and there won't be anything we can do about it.
wist
I think Detroit wins big. They're a sleeping giant. So much talent...
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