OFFICIAL 2015 NFL DRAFT THREAD

[pbmax]

Sometimes we make this too complicated. Ted has now traded up enough to dispel that old saw. He has taken for need (Dix) enough that arguing he is purely BPA is foolish.

Ted Rules
1. If you have 8 players rated the same and can trade down less than 7 slots (plus whatever you can discern about other teams intentions) and get good value for the round, you do it (Lacy).

2. If you can get a higher round talent at a spot of need when you think he won't drop to your next pick, you go up if the price isn't exorbitant (Matthews). The price in picks has to be lower than the value you place on the player. I suspect T2 had a better than end of Round 1 grade on Matthews.

3. You value late picks because it gives you more swings at the fence and means you don't have to get all the UDFAs on your list.

Ted's drafts aren't anything revolutionary (except perhaps success rate). Hoarding of draft picks and eschewing FA are more clearly hallmarks of his approach.

If an ILB drops to a point of ridiculous value like Matthews or Rodgers (maybe Dix?) he will explore trading up. If one falls to him and is at least even with the best talent on the board, he will take that position. This assumes that trading down doesn't make sense.

But he won't betray the rules of value just to take a need position.

[vince]

Sometimes we make this too complicated. Ted has now traded up enough to dispel that old saw. He has taken for need (Dix) enough that arguing he is purely BPA is foolish.

Ted Rules
1. If you have 8 players rated the same and can trade down less than 7 slots (plus whatever you can discern about other teams intentions) and get good value for the round, you do it (Lacy).

2. If you can get a higher round talent at a spot of need when you think he won't drop to your next pick, you go up if the price isn't exorbitant (Matthews). The price in picks has to be lower than the value you place on the player. I suspect T2 had a better than end of Round 1 grade on Matthews.

3. You value late picks because it gives you more swings at the fence and means you don't have to get all the UDFAs on your list.

Ted's drafts aren't anything revolutionary (except perhaps success rate). Hoarding of draft picks and eschewing FA are more clearly hallmarks of his approach.

If an ILB drops to a point of ridiculous value like Matthews or Rodgers (maybe Dix?) he will explore trading up. If one falls to him and is at least even with the best talent on the board, he will take that position. This assumes that trading down doesn't make sense.

But he won't betray the rules of value just to take a need position.

Nice. I also think Ted has demonstrated over the years that, while need and value aren't the same thing, they are interrelated.

[pbmax]

Nice. I also think Ted has demonstrated over the years that, while need and value aren't the same thing, they are interrelated.

Exactly. Need is not going to stop him from trying to find value. I think that is essentially what he means about letting the draft come to him.

[ptisme]

Exactly. Need is not going to stop him from trying to find value. I think that is essentially what he means about letting the draft come to him.

TT no longer has a team that drafts BPA.... Ted uses the best players available to move down to where he's comfortable getting value and need...

[RashanGary]

Sometimes we make this too complicated. Ted has now traded up enough to dispel that old saw. He has taken for need (Dix) enough that arguing he is purely BPA is foolish.

Ted Rules
1. If you have 8 players rated the same and can trade down less than 7 slots (plus whatever you can discern about other teams intentions) and get good value for the round, you do it (Lacy).

2. If you can get a higher round talent at a spot of need when you think he won't drop to your next pick, you go up if the price isn't exorbitant (Matthews). The price in picks has to be lower than the value you place on the player. I suspect T2 had a better than end of Round 1 grade on Matthews.

3. You value late picks because it gives you more swings at the fence and means you don't have to get all the UDFAs on your list.

Ted's drafts aren't anything revolutionary (except perhaps success rate). Hoarding of draft picks and eschewing FA are more clearly hallmarks of his approach.

If an ILB drops to a point of ridiculous value like Matthews or Rodgers (maybe Dix?) he will explore trading up. If one falls to him and is at least even with the best talent on the board, he will take that position. This assumes that trading down doesn't make sense.

But he won't betray the rules of value just to take a need position.

This is what I see too.

[Bretsky]

This is what I see too.

JAMES CARPENTER....CLASSIC AND CORRECT CALL.................SO I ASK....................WHO IS YOUR GUY ?????

The guy who's going to get drafted much better than most think....slips into round one.....and is effective ???

[jklowan]

Just did another quick mock...

30: R1P30
ILB STEPHONE ANTHONY
CLEMSON
62: R2P30
DT CARL DAVIS
IOWA
94: R3P30
CB ERIC ROWE
UTAH
129: R4P30
TE JEFF HEUERMAN
OHIO STATE
166: R5P30
CB DAMIAN SWANN
GEORGIA
206: R6P30
OT JAMON BROWN
LOUISVILLE
210: R6P34
DE CEDRIC REED
TEXAS
213: R6P37
CB NICK MARSHALL
AUBURN
247: R7P30
FB JALSTON FOWLER
ALABAMA

[smuggler]

I would be thrilled with Rowe in the 3rd.

[Joemailman]

I would be thrilled with Rowe in the 3rd.

You should be. Many now have Rowe as a late 1st, early 2nd pick.

Draft Insider now has their top 150 list out. It's an excellent source. They have Rowe at #39.

[smuggler]

That's a common trend among all scouting services. I've seen him mocked to us in the first also.

[wist43]

Rowe will be gone by our 2nd pick probably... no way he's there in the 3rd.

We have to nab an ILB in the first 2 rounds - there are some guys I like that are rated further down, but ILB is such a huge weakness, that we can't just ignore it early in the draft.

That said, TT has a history of ignoring glaring holes and just shrugging his shoulders - so we'll see.

[3irty1]

Rowe will be gone by our 2nd pick probably... no way he's there in the 3rd.

We have to nab an ILB in the first 2 rounds - there are some guys I like that are rated further down, but ILB is such a huge weakness, that we can't just ignore it early in the draft.

That said, TT has a history of ignoring glaring holes and just shrugging his shoulders - so we'll see.

Its always nice to turn a weakness into a strength but we absolutely do not need an ILB in the first 2 rounds. We were 1 voodoo curse away from the superbowl last year with backup quality ILB who can be replaced by talent from anywhere in the draft.

I'd prefer a shotgun approach because we need more than just 1 ILB anyways. Some very good linebackers have come out of the late and middle rounds lately and our bar is really really low.

[smuggler]

What do you guys think of Dawson's personality issues? We had a guy like him once before in Wayne Simmons. Dawson strikes me as a guy with extreme instincts but not the best athleticism.. Isn't that a lot like Borland in the last draft, but without the health concerns?

[Bretsky]

What do you guys think of Dawson's personality issues? We had a guy like him once before in Wayne Simmons. Dawson strikes me as a guy with extreme instincts but not the best athleticism.. Isn't that a lot like Borland in the last draft, but without the health concerns?

Apparently I'm in the minority here....but I really like Dawson. Dude just keeps making play after play after play. I think he's better than Borland and this defense needs some intensity. I'd be fine with him in round 1 or 2. Playmaker

[mraynrand]

What do you guys think of Dawson's personality issues? We had a guy like him once before in Wayne Simmons. Dawson strikes me as a guy with extreme instincts but not the best athleticism.. Isn't that a lot like Borland in the last draft, but without the health concerns?

Gosh he looks fluid - moving to the tackle and can cover RBs out of the backfield. Patient to shed blocks. Natural, sound tackler. Good recognition. Good follow through. Can rush the passer without hopping. Me likey. He doesn't look crazy on the field like Simmons used to. Simmons was positively foaming at the mouth half the time.

[mraynrand]

As much as I like Maxx Williams, I don't see him as Rd1 or maybe even Rd2 talent. TT can do better. Might even be worthwhile if he could get Wes Saxton from S. Alabama with a Rd6 or later pick/FA. After all, they need someone to replace Bostick!

[smuggler]

Draft a Heeney. Do it.

[pbmax]

Scout.com Final ILB rankings

PLAYER			SCHOOL	POS	CL	HT	WT	40-YD	PRO	RND
ANTHONY, Steph (WB)	Clemson	ILB	Sr	06:02.3	238	4.59	6.7	2
KENDRICKS, Eric (WB)	UCLA	ILB	rSr	06:00.1	232	4.67	6.7	1-2
DAWSON, Paul (WB)	TCU	ILB	Sr	06:01.5	230	4.76	6.3	2-3
PERRYMAN, Denzel	Miami	ILB	Sr	05:11.1	248	4.74	6.2	3
McKINNEY, Ben (SB)	MsSU	ILB	rJr	06:04.5	245	4.62	6.2	2-3
#HICKS, Jordan (OB)	Texas	ILB	Sr	06:01.5	245	4.58	5.7	4
HULL, Michael (OB)	PSU	ILB	Sr	06:00.0	232	4.63	5.7	4
HEENEY, Benjamin	Kansas	ILB	Sr	06:00.3	228	4.80	5.7	4
WILSON, Ramik (WB)	Georgia	ILB	Sr	06:01.7	234	4.72	5.6	4-5
JONES, Taiwan		MSU	ILB	Sr	06:03.0	252	4.76	5.5	5
DICKSON, Xz	(RE/SB)	Ala	ILB	Sr	06:03.4	268	4.77	5.4	5
SPAIGHT, Martrell (OB)	Ark	ILB	Sr	06:00.0	238	4.83	5.4	5
#HAGER, Bryce		Baylor	ILB	rSr	06:00.2	229	4.49	5.3	5-6
RYAN, Jake (SB)		Mich	ILB	Sr	06:02.4	235	4.68	5.3	5-6
VIGIL, Zachary		Utah St	ILB	Sr	06:01.5	233	4.86	5.2	6-7
LUC, Jeff (WB)		Cinn	ILB	Sr	05:11.7	253	4.79	5.1	6-7
PULLARD, Hayes (SB)	USC	ILB	rSr	06:00.7	234	4.64	5.0	6-7
ROBINSON, Ed (WB)	Newb	ILB	Sr	06:02.1	246	4.55	4.9	7
DEPRIEST, Trey (SB)	Ala	ILB	Sr	06:00.4	258	4.82	4.9	7-FA
HERRERA, Amarlo (SB)	Georgia	ILB	Sr	06:00.2	244	4.76	4.8	7-FA
WILSON, Damien		Minn	ILB	Sr	06:00.1	252	4.79	4.8	7-FA
TIMU, John		Wash	ILB	Sr	06:00.4	244	4.74	4.8	7-FA
GRANT, Curtis		OSU	ILB	Sr	06:02.3	243	4.59	4.7	PFA
MALONE, Derrick (WB)	Oregon	ILB	Sr	06:02.0	219	4.67	4.7	PFA
TARPLEY, Aubrey (WB)	Stan	ILB	rSr	06:00.4	238	4.84	4.7	PFA
MAYO, David		TxState	ILB	Sr	06:02.0	228	4.79	4.7	PFA
ROACH, Trevor		Neb	ILB	Sr	06:02.0	235	4.87	4.7	PFA

[pbmax]

Wayback Machine 1992: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...desmond-howard

A draft trade that worked out for no one, not even the team that was jumped over (Packers). It was lose-lose-lose, especially Washington.

[Freak Out]

Wayback Machine 1992: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...desmond-howard

A draft trade that worked out for no one, not even the team that was jumped over (Packers). It was lose-lose-lose, especially Washington.

Wow....funny stuff. Love the Vardell pick. It's so nice where Desmond made it back to though.