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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 24m24 minutes ago
    Intent on showing his recent citation for pot won’t define him, Shane Ray is en route to Chicago for #NFLDraft. Will be in the green room

    File this under. "Even if it works out, doesn't mean it was a good idea".
    Maybe he got some bad information as to why they call it the green room.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Maybe he got some bad information as to why they call it the green room.

    Joe - what's wrong with that picture??

    Do you see any buds on that plant??
    wist

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    I'm gonna try and pop in here for the draft. I actually plunked down some cash for a draft guide for once. If Mad is cool I'll post entries of the picks...some really good info from Dane Brugler.


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    16. SAMMIE COATES | Auburn 6013|212 lbs|4JR Leroy, Ala. (Leroy HS) 3/31/1993 (age 22) #18
    2011: Redshirted GRADE 3rd-4th Round 2012: (11/1) 6/114/19.0/2 MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 3/8 | Hand: 09 3/8 | Wingspan: 78 3/4 2013: (14/12) 42/902/21.5/7 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.43 | 10-YD: 1.55 | 20-YD: 2.59 | BP: 23 | VJ: 41 | BJ: 10’11” | SS: 4.06 | 3C: 6.98 | LS: 11.81 2014: (12/7) 34/741/21.8/4 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) Total (37/20) 82/1,757/21.4/13
    BACKGROUND: A three-star wide receiver recruit out of high school, Coates originally committed to Southern Miss, but switched once Auburn offered him during the summer prior to his senior year. He redshirted in 2011 after injuring his knee and was a little-used redshirt freshman back-up in 2012, starting one game and finishing with six catches. With a new coaching staff taking over at Auburn, Coates became a starter (12 starts) in 2013 and led the Tigers with 42 receptions for 902 yards and seven touchdowns, emerging as an offensive playmaker with 14 catches of 30+ yards. He battled injuries as a junior in 2014 (seven starts), finishing with 34 catches for 741 yards and four scores, earning Second Team All-SEC honors. Despite one year left of eligibility, Coates left Auburn early for the 2015 NFL Draft. As a fourthyear junior, he participated in the 2015 Senior Bowl
    STRENGTHS: Tall, chiseled frame with cut muscle definition and longer arms than several of his offensive line teammates…above average straight-line speed with swift, decisive strides to stretch defenses…shifts gears well with a second gear to easily accelerate and get behind the secondary – his ability to be a vertical threat stays in the minds of cornerbacks…strong upper body to fight off tacklers with a heavy stiff arm…dangerous after the catch with the plant-and-go burst to be slippery and elude defenders…shows the lower body explosion to elevate and highpoint…quick hands to make natural adjustments and handle fastballs…physical blocker with room to grow in this area…genuine personality who won’t find trouble off the field…averaged 21.4 yards per catch in college, proving to be a threat before and after the catch – set a school-record with 206 receiving yards in the 2014 Iron Bowl at Alabama.
    WEAKNESSES: Not a natural hands-catcher and routinely fights the ball with inconsistent finishing concentration…needs to be more efficient attacking the ball away from his frame…lacks experience with the full route tree and is very unpolished in his breaks, tipping his path…needs to do a better job sinking his body and flipping his hips in tight situations…needs to develop his understanding of how to best use his body to leverage defenders – not as reliable in 50/50 situations as his size/length would suggest…struggles to improvise and work back to the quarterback, not doing enough with his skill-set to create separation…inconsistent dedication and work ethic in the past and would sometimes quit on routes…doesn’t offer special teams value…medicals need checked out – deep bone bruise to his left knee (Aug. 2014) that plagued him his entire junior year.
    SUMMARY: A physical specimen with his size/speed combination, Coates has freakish ability and is clearly most comfortable on vertical routes, but can be very inconsistent on other patterns and is more of an athlete than polished pass-catcher right now. His overall focus and reliability at the catch point is a question mark as he struggles to consistently track and secure with too many drops on his résumé. Coates could have used another year in college to continue his development and work on the details of the position, but a target with his natural gifts will be coveted at the next level. His physical talent is reminiscent of a mix of Dwayne Bowe and Torrey Smith, but shouldn’t be relied upon to be anything more than a raw vertical threat as a rookie and might never be anything more unless NFL coaching can harness his athletic traits – will be drafted early, but his question marks push his value down my draft board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rastak View Post
    I'm gonna try and pop in here for the draft. I actually plunked down some cash for a draft guide for once. If Mad is cool I'll post entries of the picks...some really good info from Dane Brugler.
    Glad you'll be here Ras. Are the Vikings definitely going to hang on to Peterson, or could we see a draft day trade? Are Vikings going for Trae Waynes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Joe - what's wrong with that picture??

    Do you see any buds on that plant??
    I'm a good normal American. I don't know anything about that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 24m24 minutes ago
    Intent on showing his recent citation for pot won’t define him, Shane Ray is en route to Chicago for #NFLDraft. Will be in the green room

    File this under. "Even if it works out, doesn't mean it was a good idea".

    Road trip!

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    Agree with Joe; everybody is going to be trying to trade down, including Ted. IMO they won't get as much in past years. Most feel draft is top heavy, picks 7-20 are about the same player, and then the next twenty are as well.

    TT might be tempted to draft a player with incredible talent but troubled past....could the Nebrasks pass rusher fall or the LB who smoked week just before the draft tests fall.........or value at CB or WR...........but he'll b trying like hell to trade down.

    This year is considered crazy just as deep as last year at WR

    This year is considered to be one of the crappiest years ever at TE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bretsky View Post
    Agree with Joe; everybody is going to be trying to trade down, including Ted. IMO they won't get as much in past years. Most feel draft is top heavy, picks 7-20 are about the same player, and then the next twenty are as well.

    TT might be tempted to draft a player with incredible talent but troubled past....could the Nebrasks pass rusher fall or the LB who smoked week just before the draft tests fall.........or value at CB or WR...........but he'll b trying like hell to trade down.

    This year is considered crazy just as deep as last year at WR

    This year is considered to be one of the crappiest years ever at TE

    Seems weak at LB too.

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    Bill Huber at gnb.scout.com opines that is there is a possibility for the Packers to trade back and get value moving out of the first round, its a trade with a team looking for a QB. His source says the Saints might be looking to grab Brett Hundley and want to have the fifth year option.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    There is a lot, and I mean a lot, of garbage scouting on CBs out today.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    Scout.com's NFL Scout ranks the CBs like this:

    1. Marcus Peters
    2. Trae Waynes
    3. Eric Rowe
    big jump down
    4. Jalen Collins
    5. Kevin Johnson

    Peters negatives were a predisposition to collecting personal fouls and short completions, but he did not get beat deep. Byron Jones did not get evaluated because of the number of missed games due to his injury.

    What do the film room/You Tube junkies think of him?

    EDIT: I apparently failed to recognize that he is the kid who got the boot from his own team.
    Last edited by pbmax; 04-29-2015 at 11:06 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Scout.com's NFL Scout ranks the CBs like this:

    1. Marcus Peters
    2. Trae Waynes
    3. Eric Rowe
    big jump down
    4. Jalen Collins
    5. Kevin Johnson

    Peters negatives were a predisposition to collecting personal fouls and short completions, but he did not get beat deep. Byron Jones did not get evaluated because of the number of missed games due to his injury.

    What do the film room/You Tube junkies think of him?

    EDIT: I apparently failed to recognize that he is the kid who got the boot from his own team.
    Peters reminds me of Charles Woodson both as a player and a person.
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    Woodson grew up by the time he came to town, though, for the most part.

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    What I would like to know, if anyone read it, would be which LB, Matthews or Barrington took over the Buck linebacker duty when Hawk left the starting lineup.

    Hawk was essentially the strong LB, his job was to occupy the fifth lineman (usually a Guard in base). His declining size and strength made this very problematic last season. The other position (Barnett/Bishop/Jones) was Mack (weskit/pursuit).

    If Matthews and Barrington stay starters, then you can draft for either.

    If Matthews returns to OLB on early downs (unlikely unless they hit they jackpot) then you need Barrington's complement unless you think Thomas or Bradford will make it.
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    I believe the answer to your question is Barrington. I know they stuck Lattimore in there for a while once Brad Jones (Mack) was hurt and then eventually Barrington took over, but I still think the answer is Barrington.

    Looking at the roster, we know that Bradford cannot be the Buck, so the immediate need in terms of bodies seems to be on the bigger role. But, getting a starter at the pursuit role would free up Matthews to play on the edge or on a fucking cloud if they wanted. Either would help the depth on the squad. Presuming a buck is taken, there's a chance that person could unseat Barrington as a starter, so that could be an upgrade, but taking the smaller role ILB would potentially upgrade our pass rush AND coverage.

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    Its logical because pursuit would be more natural to Clay than interior block shedding. But I think you are right that Lattimore then Barrington went in first at Mack for Jones.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/premi...t.php?d=kucbbt

    I've got a fever. The only prescription is more mocks!

    034 - R2 CB MARCUS PETERS, WASHINGTON
    062 - R2 ILB STEPHONE ANTHONY, CLEMSON
    094 - R3 CB ERIC ROWE, UTAH
    117 - R4 TE JEFF HEUERMAN, OHIO STATE
    129 - R4 FS ADRIAN AMOS, PENN STATE
    166 - R5 RB JEREMY LANGFORD, MICHIGAN STATE
    206 - R6 ILB MIKE HULL, PENN STATE
    210 - R6 ILB BRYCE HAGER, BAYLOR
    213 - R6 OT MITCH MORSE, MISSOURI
    247 - R7 FB JALSTON FOWLER, ALABAMA

    Traded down into the mid-2nd with the Chargers, then traded back up with the Bucs to get Peters before he could get snapped up by the Raiders. Net gain of a mid-4th... Not realistic. Just pretend the Bucs traded up into the 1st from 34 overall...

    No receivers in the 2nd or 3rd round... Mock invalidated. :/

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    Smuggler, I nominate you to sit in the draft room, partake of the spread and whisper these picks in Ted's ear.
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    Smuggler, whose big board were you drafting from?
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    Do any of these players have "it"?
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