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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    I have no clue. We'll have to watch his performance in the combine next week.
    See post #145 this thread.
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    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2015/TE has him going in the 6-7th round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    OK.
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    Hypothetically.....

    Based on DRAFTTEK's TOP 100 and if all teams drafted their players as they line up on this board.

    Who would the Green Bay Packers get?

    We will pic at NO's 30, 62 and 94 in Rounds 1-3.

    NO. 30 ... CB Alex Carter Stanford 6'0" 204

    Top ranked CB's in 2015 Draft:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2015/CB

    http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticl...CLID=208167690

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/n...sion-to-go-pro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR6Va-KfMcM


    NO. 62 ... WRF Devin Smith Ohio State 6'1" 197

    Top Ranked WR's in 2015 Draft:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2015/WR

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/...81/devin-smith

    http://www.bigblueview.com/2015/1/26...-wr-ohio-state


    NO. 94 ... ROT Corey Robinson South Carolina 6'7" 348

    Top Ranked Tackles in the 2015 Draft:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2015/OT

    Profile (Note: It reads here that he's 6' - 8 "):

    http://www.gamecocksonline.com/sport...on_710249.html

    http://www.greenvilleonline.com/stor...ense/20893175/

    http://walterfootball.com/scoutingre...5crobinson.php

    RSP Film Room No.10 LT Corey Robinson - YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y0x9zaZZr8
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    I feel a trade back is in order. A team might be willing to move up just a few spots to get that 5th year on the rookie contract by selecting in the late first instead of early 2nd. I like a lot of guys, but all of the no-brainer guys will most likely be taken before 30. Trading back would leave us with two seconds, a third, two fourths, and as many as three fifths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    I feel a trade back is in order. A team might be willing to move up just a few spots to get that 5th year on the rookie contract by selecting in the late first instead of early 2nd. I like a lot of guys, but all of the no-brainer guys will most likely be taken before 30. Trading back would leave us with two seconds, a third, two fourths, and as many as three fifths.
    In the 2014 Draft TT didn't trade up or down and that's a departure from what we have grown accustomed to seeing. Last season we also saw TT draft in round 1 for need. That's a departure from his normal style of drafting the BPA.

    I see opportunities where TT trading down could work for him as you suggest in Rounds 2 and 3.

    The one position I'm somewhat concerned for now is DT. How he proceeds in the Off Season and addresses the DT position before the Draft will have an impact on his drafting strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27 View Post
    In the 2014 Draft TT didn't trade up or down and that's a departure from what we have grown accustomed to seeing. Last season we also saw TT draft in round 1 for need. That's a departure from his normal style of drafting the BPA.

    I see opportunities where TT trading down could work for him as you suggest in Rounds 2 and 3.

    The one position I'm somewhat concerned for now is DT. How he proceeds in the Off Season and addresses the DT position before the Draft will have an impact on his drafting strategy.
    I disagree. I see no departure from his normal drafting procedure. I think HHCD at #21 was likely the BPA on his board. Many thought he would be drafted earlier than that. Sometimes fortune smiles on you and the BPA is also at a position of need. I think that's what happened here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    I disagree. I see no departure from his normal drafting procedure. I think HHCD at #21 was likely the BPA on his board. Many thought he would be drafted earlier than that. Sometimes fortune smiles on you and the BPA is also at a position of need. I think that's what happened here.
    Looking at this again I agree with you.

    Ha Ha Clinton Dix was mocked to go earlier than TT's pick. The stars simply aligned and Dix was the perfect choice for TT and the Green Bay Packers.
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    It was definitely good luck. Most mocks had him gone 10 picks ahead of our draft position. If you ran the draft again right now, we wouldn't even stand a chance.

    Thanks, Jets!

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    Jordan Phillips, DT.

    TJ Clemmings, OT

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    Jordan Phillips, DT.

    TJ Clemmings, OT
    Ref: drafttec.com

    http://www.drafttek.com/2015-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp

    I'm guessing that your thinking that Bryan Bulaga won't be retained; therefore draft TJ Clemmings as a replacement?

    As per the Drafttec.com current mock:

    TT could trade out of Round 1 and pick TJ Clemmings in the top of Round 2.

    Drafttec possibly has 6' - 6" and 334 lb ... DT Jordan Phillips or... 6'- 2" - 232 lb ILB Ramik Wilson available for TT and his late 2nd Rd. pick.

    Note ... and in comparison, NFLDRFTSCOUTS.Com has:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...kings/2015/all

    LT TJ Clemmings established presently @ NO. 14

    DT Jordan Phillips @ NO. 23

    ILB Ranik Wilson @ NO. 113.
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    I'd be happy with Phillips and Clemmings as our first two picks, if we could get Ramik Wilson later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    I'd be happy with Phillips and Clemmings as our first two picks, if we could get Ramik Wilson later.
    Yes right...Ramik not Ranik Wilson.
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    2 - DEVIN FUNCHESS, MICHIGAN
    3 - QUINTEN ROLLINS, MIAMI (OHIO)
    3 - TY SAMBRAILO, COLORADO STATE
    3 - RAMIK WILSON, GEORGIA
    5 - TYLER KROFT, RUTGERS
    5 - JOSH HARPER, FRESNO STATE
    6 - TAIWAN JONES, MICHIGAN STATE
    6 - JORDAN RICHARDS, STANFORD
    6 - JOEY MBU, HOUSTON
    6 - NICK BOYLE, DELAWARE
    7 - JALSTON FOWLER, ALABAMA
    7 - CRAIG MAGER, TEXAS STATE

    Tons of trades in this version. Wasn't able to get Clemmings or Phillips, but I'm happy with the haul. Three tight ends, two corners, two inside linebackers, a safety, a fullback, a nose tackle, an offensive tackle, and one receiver for good measure. We know TT is taking one receiver.

    I'm not sure how likely it would be for Rollins to fall into the early third, but he is a bit raw, so it's possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    2 - DEVIN FUNCHESS, MICHIGAN
    3 - QUINTEN ROLLINS, MIAMI (OHIO)
    3 - TY SAMBRAILO, COLORADO STATE
    3 - RAMIK WILSON, GEORGIA
    5 - TYLER KROFT, RUTGERS
    5 - JOSH HARPER, FRESNO STATE
    6 - TAIWAN JONES, MICHIGAN STATE
    6 - JORDAN RICHARDS, STANFORD
    6 - JOEY MBU, HOUSTON
    6 - NICK BOYLE, DELAWARE
    7 - JALSTON FOWLER, ALABAMA
    7 - CRAIG MAGER, TEXAS STATE

    Tons of trades in this version. ... one receiver for good measure. We know TT is taking one receiver.

    I'm not sure how likely it would be for Rollins to fall into the early third, but he is a bit raw, so it's possible.
    You're mocking Devin Funchess as a TE. He's the NO. 7 Ranked WR and Ranked NO. 32 overall on NFLDRAFTSCOUTS.COM:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2015/WR

    See also:

    http://www.drafttek.com/2015-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1b.asp


    Have you looked at this fella who's possibly available for TT's 2nd round pick? :

    OLB Hau'oli Kikaha (ha-OH-lee KEY-kah-HA) Fr. Washington ... 6' - 3 " and 246 lbs.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p.../hauoli-kikaha

    You can see video of him and others ie ILB's Eric Kendricks, Paul Dawson and Ramik Wilson (not much here) and DE Danielle Hunter and WR/TE Devin Funchess and TE Ben Koyack here :

    http://allgbp.com/2015/01/21/green-b...t-videos-2015/

    I reallly like OLB Hau'oli Kikaha and TE Ben Koyack (Round 3-4). He's a hard working strong blocker. He has good feet. He gets intelligently open or back to the ball and his hands seem decent.
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    I know of Kikaha. I like him in the second. This was a simulated draft, and Kikaha was gone before the 62 overall pick, so I traded back. Funchess is a Jimmy Graham type WR, and I took him at 2/7 after trading back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    I know of Kikaha. I like him in the second. This was a simulated draft, and Kikaha was gone before the 62 overall pick, so I traded back. Funchess is a Jimmy Graham type WR, and I took him at 2/7 after trading back.
    Smuggler, just curious. Do you rely on scouting profiles for your analysis? Or, watch a lot of film? Or, have you seen some of these guys play all season?

    For instance, the following is from NFL Draft Tracker, which relies heavily on scouting reports. If these reports are true/accurate, I don't think TT gives Funchess a serious look. The point is how do you separate fact from fiction?
    Weaknesses

    Pass-catching is labored. Allows throws into his frame and catches back half of football at times. Tagged with 20 drops over last three seasons. Isn't a lock to high-point a throw and doesn't attack throws. Won't win enough 50/50 throws. Stifled by inconsistent passing attack. Tends to show monotone, one-note play speed. Hard to find a second gear on tape. Gears down into cuts and slow to accelerate out of breaks. NFL Comparison

    Gavin Escobar Bottom Line

    Has mismatch-caliber size, but lack of vertical talent and below-average hands might negate the size to an extent. Funchess was used outside and inside at Michigan and had success from the slot. He has the feel of a hybrid player who can be a big guy at wide receiver or a mismatch nightmare as a move tight end with more weight on his rangy frame.
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    I know of Kikaha. I like him in the second. This was a simulated draft, and Kikaha was gone before the 62 overall pick, so I traded back. Funchess is a Jimmy Graham type WR, and I took him at 2/7 after trading back.
    How did you get into such a draft? A simulated draft.

    You'd have to be on top of it. How big was your draft board?
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    I don't get paid to scout, so I rely on reports from a few different sites. I obviously didn't like Funchess at 30, but when he was still there after a trade back I went ahead. I imagine that is how TT would treat him, also, but a lot depends on his personality, work ethic, etc, which are aspects to which I am not privileged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    I don't get paid to scout, so I rely on reports from a few different sites. ... a lot depends on his personality, work ethic, etc, which are aspects to which I am not privileged.
    Hence Harv's sig quoting TT: "Frankly, most fans don't know what the hell they're talking about."

    Not that that should stop any of us from blathering on though... What fun is that?

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