I'm rewatching the game with the sound off to test my various theories.
It looks like Datone Jone's role often is to tie-up multiple blockers. Lacy really had an off day. Not terrible. The O-line looked OK in first quarter, maybe they slipped later.
I'm rewatching the game with the sound off to test my various theories.
It looks like Datone Jone's role often is to tie-up multiple blockers. Lacy really had an off day. Not terrible. The O-line looked OK in first quarter, maybe they slipped later.
The slow starts are going to bite him in the arse. Last year we lucked out with Detroit and Chicago self destructing. This year Detroit can win the division if they for once stay focused.
The O-Line got bitch slapped today. Two very physical defenses equal 2 beat downs. The yardage going into the 4th quarter was less than 60 yards. Pathetic.
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It seems to be a minority view, but Rodgers mostly had time to pass. Homer on the post game radio show weighed-in with same impression. I re-watched all the offensive series, the offensive line did not get abused most of the time. There were even some running lanes.
The Lions front 7 is very good, Levy looks like an all-pro linebacker. Rodgers had nobody to throw to most of the time, and his throws were off when he tried to squeeze the ball in.
If Rodgers had been able to connect with receivers on some quick slants, people would be saying the offensive line held their own. Starks was gouging them, if he had more carries the running game would look good.
I think Rodgers/MM are looking for the big too much. he's holding the ball too long looking down field when there's stuff open quick and short. maybe running no-huddle 100% of the time is a problem too.
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are we not running plays with a check down dump off? or is rodgers not looking for one?
you noticed staford would look long but after awhile he would dump it off to a RB who would be wide open, usually gaining at least some positive yards. a-rod holds on forever looking deep, the scrambles, looks deep some more before taking a sack
is the check down guy not there? is he always covered? is a-rod not checking down? he does seem to be locking onto his targets more. maybe he only really does trust jordy. maybe more playing time in pre season might have fixed that problem?
I think they need to scrap or at least reduce the no-huddle. With Jones and Finley gone, they need to get production out of Adams and R. Rodgers. I don't think those guys know the offense well enough yet to be productive with the accelerated pace of the no-huddle. And yes, Rodgers is sometimes holding the ball too long because he wants to go downfield. That is an old story.
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I think part of the reason for the overly negative perception of the OL today stems from the complete whiff by Lang for the safety on Lacy. That was glariing.
But Rodgers had enough time to throw in general. There were plays to be made, they just didn't make them.
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there was also, i think it was the suh sack. where the replayed suh making the sack while both lindsay and lang were laying on their bellies from the spot where suh just came. they didn't show the whole replay. did they both just fall down? did suh make both of them his bitch?
it looked, not good
The other thing that happened in pass pro was that he rarely could move in the pocket. Twice he tried and was sacked both times.
To have extra time, he had to bail left of right.
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I missed the game... couldn't get it here, and I was too hungover to go watch it somewhere else, lol...
Based on the commentary here, and looking at the play-by-play and the stat line - it looks like they spanked up on both sides of the LOS - entirely predictable. I had the score at 45-31... so had the spread about right, but couldn't have guessed at such a low scoring game.
Stafford killed me in fantasy!!!! and I sat Bush
Anyway, sounds like MM has determined to remain as passive up front on the LOS as possible... did he run any power plays, or just more of his ZBS crap??
The defense force 3 TO's, so that was a positive - but of course we got dominated in TOP 38:13 to 21:47.
Well a 1-2 start... probably a 1-3 start after we go to Chicago. We'll likely be an underdog I would imagine.
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one thing you can say for sure is that it wasn't the defenses fault todayI missed the game... couldn't get it here, and I was too hungover to go watch it somewhere else, lol...
Based on the commentary here, and looking at the play-by-play and the stat line - it looks like they spanked up on both sides of the LOS - entirely predictable. I had the score at 45-31... so had the spread about right, but couldn't have guessed at such a low scoring game.
Stafford killed me in fantasy!!!! and I sat Bush
Anyway, sounds like MM has determined to remain as passive up front on the LOS as possible... did he run any power plays, or just more of his ZBS crap??
The defense force 3 TO's, so that was a positive - but of course we got dominated in TOP 38:13 to 21:47.
Well a 1-2 start... probably a 1-3 start after we go to Chicago. We'll likely be an underdog I would imagine.
the offense was solely responsible for this loss
The offense scored 16 points... too bad 9 of those were for the Lions.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
It's absolutely stunning. If you told any of us that the defense would hold Detroit to 10 points, we would have expected the Packers to win by 3 touchdowns. How far our offense has fallen off this year.
3 things. MM for the second week in a row made a bonehead decision before halftime. This week it was to call timeouts before the half. He has done this before, and it rarely (if ever) works. I called out to my family that MM has called timeouts thinking his offense can score in the past and it never works and then he did it, and it nearly cost us a field goal. Just because it didn't hurt us, doesn't make it not a bad call by him.
MM deciding to run from the one yard line. Everyone in our room was saying we better not run. Then we ran and it was a safety.
Finally, Rodgers taking sacks sucks. Rodgers taking sacks when we are in field goal range really sucks. Rodgers had ample time today. He also could have moved out of the pocket to avoid sacks today as well.
Our defense did everything they could today to win. Our offense did everything they could to lose. Sucky game, and perhaps we are an 8-8 team.
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MM needs to self scout and never call that TO before half when he thinks they *might* get the ball back. It often seems to end in disaster.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
The safety... as I said, I didn't watch the game, but I saw that lowlight.
That situation demands a pass b/c of how our OL is built - MM should know that. Especially going against a super-stout, physical DL like Detroits.
Our Offensive Linemen are picked b/c they are good mirror blockers. Supposed to have good feet in pass pro, supposed to work well in the ZBS. None of them is a drive blocker, and none of them can get movement off the snap. They can't get movement against bad defensive lines, let alone an excellent DL like Detroits.
"Know thyself'... MM should know enough about his own players to know that he simply cannot call a run in that situation, b/c it is entirely likely that his RB is going to be met in the backfield, i.e. the end zone.
Stupid play call... coaches not putting their players in position to be successful. Usually that charge is made against dunderdummy - but in this case, MM is guilty. That safety was on him, not the players.
wist
Rodgers got blown up and Lang whiffed. That's on the players. Bulaga made his block. Both Bulaga and Bach can run block.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
lol... seriously??
None of those guys is a drive blocker - and no, Buluga can't drive block, Bach can't drive block, Lang can't drive block, and Sitton can't drive block. The Green Bay Packers do not allow run blocking OL on the roster.
They are all student body run blockers, and dancing bear pass blockers. Period.
Our offensive linemen "whiffing" and getting "blown up" is exactly what would be expected in that situation, and that is exactly what we got.
The philosophy is what lands guys like that on our roster, and the play call was idiotic b/c the result we saw was entirely predictable.
wist
He admitted it was a risky call and shouldn't have been made, but wasn't very specific about just want was riskier than his normal call in that spot. There was virtually no time left and it was 3rd and 7. If not then, when?
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