Hmm were we watching the same game? I remember at least 10 passes with no packers within 5 yards. At least 10.Originally Posted by Patler
Hmm were we watching the same game? I remember at least 10 passes with no packers within 5 yards. At least 10.
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Name them.
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Name them. lol. Right. Yeah let me go get my game tape and I'll have them right out for you. While I'm doing that, go name at least passes that were well contested and almost broken up.
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You were the one who made a very specific claim - 10 plays where there was not a defender within 5 yards.
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I remember a lot of them, a couple to Jimmy Graham right off the top of head. How about he one near the sideline when Hyde waited for him to pick up another 10 yards and almost score. Or how about 3rd and 8 early in the game and a freakin RB walks out of the back field over the middle and picks up 10. And many others. If I really did have the game tape I would easily find ten.
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There are some of those in most games in today's NFL and all the QBs hit those. That's why most of the QB's have completion percentages above 60%. The plays that kill you are the ones where you don't have great coverage, but are close, and the QB nails it. A bit overthrown and the WR doesn't get it, a bit underthrown and the DB can redeem himself. The elite QBs hit those regularly. If they miss those, you soon forget about the ones that were wide open, because the drive stalls anyway.
Sure a QB can be lights out some games and a little off in others. However, usually the games the QB is a little off are the ones when hes getting pressure in the face. He had all day to throw most of the game.
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Pressure can be part of it, but do you think Cutler would have had the same results as Brees if he had been NO's QB last night?
My earlier post:
Sadly this is very true. I had a bad feeling about this game. Since 2009, I have far too many memories of packer defenses under Dom Capers allowing 40+ points when playing the elite QBs in the league. Warner, Brees, Manning, Brady, etc. The QBs who know where to go with the football before the snap always kill us. Against the next QB tier down, the defense usually plays very well. See 2010 superbowl run: Vick, Ryan, Culter, Big Ben. I know we are in for a long game when I see Brady, Manning, Brees, and now Kap and Wilson (b/c of read option). Avoid those five somehow in the playoffs and I think we have a decent chance at winning the superbowl.
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On a grand scale, looking at more than just a game here and there, I don't thing the D plays better or worse depending on the QB they face. I think their play is very similar, but the results (and appearance) are often quite different. They can be exposed without actually playing worse.
Actually you are spot on, not only about Dom and elite QB's but stubby vs good teams also. Stubby and Dom are continually out coached. Add to that the fact that Rodgers doesn't play his best, when the momentum isn't always in GB's favor. What you get is a complete clusterfuck. The coaching staff and TT are pissing away AR's best years. You have a QB like that, you do WHATEVER it takes to put the best players and coaches around him.
They have seemed to melt down in primetime (7pm CST) games vs non-division teams over the last few years (since the thumping by the Giants in the 2011 playoffs). I wasn't sure if that was just recency because of this year (Seattle, NO) or not, so I grabbed the last 2.5 years of primetime games to look at. Their record over that span in prime-time games vs non-division opponents is 1-4, with their one win coming over the Texans and their 4 losses coming by an average of 3 scores. If you add in the loss to SF in the playoffs at Lambeau, they're 1-5 with the avg diff dropping to 17.
Interestingly, though, all of their non-division primetime games have been away games. So they're also playing on the road every time. It's a very specific set of circumstances that they don't deal well in, and those circumstances arise when there are a lot of eyeballs on the game due to the time slot. It's something that they need to overcome to be successful in the playoffs again, unless they can somehow pull either home games or early games.
They're 4-1 vs division opponents in those games, and their division opponents have often been pretty good teams. They just haven't been able to deal well with playing non-division opponents, in primetime, on the road.
2012
09-13-2012 - Thursday night vs Chicago Bears (10-6), W 23-10
10-14-2012 - Sunday night @Texans (12-4) - W 42-24
11-25-2012 - Sunday night @Giants (9-7) - L 38-10
12-09-2012 - Sunday night vs Detroit Lions (4-12) - W 27-10
Playoffs:
01-05-2013 - Saturday night vs Minny Vikings (10-6) - W 24-10
01-12-2013 - Saturday night @San Fran (11-4-1) - L 45-31
2013
10-27-2013 - Sunday night @Minnesota (5-10-1) - W 44-31
11-04-2013 - Monday night vs Chicago (8-8) - L 27-21
Playoffs:
01-05-2014 - Sunday afternoon vs San Fran - L 23-20
2014
09-04-2014 - Thursday night @Seattle - L 36-16
10-26-2014 - Sunday night @NO - L 44-23
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