I can't get worked up about Tank. I'm starting a committee to ban Pugger. Everybody needs a cause.
I can't get worked up about Tank. I'm starting a committee to ban Pugger. Everybody needs a cause.
Why me??? You got something against women like tank does?Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
Stubby D+
He has Rodgers and that gets him over, but he's done nothing in terms of scheme and playcalling to improve the running game. Last year, sans Rodgers, he incorporated more power running and the run game improved dramatically; now with Rodgers back, he's back to his same old 3 zone plays.
In the passing game he is still very good, but predictable - and his playcalling is entirely predictable.
Capers D
He's not calling nearly as much 2-4, thank God!!! But he does far too many unsound things, and players are out of position far too often - you guys all like to blame the players, but more than anything - that's coaching. Don't think we can win another SB as long as Capers is our DC - 2010 was a fluke. A perfect storm of Capers playing with guys he inherited, and our opponents being flawed enough for us to get through. Unfortunately, solid, well-built teams stand in our way now, and we can't compete with them b/c of Capers and his philosophies.
Offense C
We're 19th in yds, 26th in TOP, 6th in scoring. It's all about Rodgers and the WR's. Our TE's are junk, our OL is below average. Lacy is a stud, but unless Stubby gets his head out of his ass and begins to incorporate more power running plays, Lacy won't be much of a factor.
It's all about Rodgers.
Defense D-
We're 26th in yds allowed, 23rd in scoring defense, and dead last in rushing defense at 153.5 yds/game - on a pace to give up more that 2400 yds rushing!!! WOW, just WOW!!!
I like a lot of the players, but we're simply too small and undermanned up front now. Capers is running more Elephant than anything else it looks like, but we really don't have the DL to run that full-time, just as we didn't have the LB's to run the 2-4 full-time. Capers simply can't help himself - he seems incapable of using the personnel he has to the best of their ability.
Our ILB's are complete junk. Missed tackles, bad angles, late to react in coverage... on and on. Hard to run a LB dominant scheme when your LB's suck. The back end has been cleaned up for the most part, but we're still soft, and poor tackling, while not an epidemic like years past, is still an issue.
The Packers have absolutely no identity on defense, and their preference to play as small as possible, concede the run, and inability to make adjustments spells disaster in the long run.
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We should make the playoffs, but this team is still flawed in the same ways it has been in the past 3-4 years. They've made some changes on defense, but the same flawed philosophies, and flawed coaching stayed in place - and that is evident on the field. You can't give up 150+ yds/game on the ground and hold out any hope of winning a SB... not unless you get insanely lucky.
And Stubby's stubbornness with respect to his anemic running game is going to cost us against the big boys. He can get away his pitter-patter running game against weak sisters, but against the tough, disciplined defenses we will likely see in the playoffs - we're not going anywhere unless Stubby gets his head out of his ass and makes the necessary adjustments.
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Bottom line is - I don't see us having the right formula to win a SB this year. We'll make the playoffs, and Rodgers gives us a fighting chance against anyone, but realistically we just don't have the right pieces in place. Philosophically, we're simply too flawed.
wist
This might be the one season where the Packers flaws don't "automatically" sink them. Every team in the NFC has some pretty huge flaws this season. While they beat the Packers and Broncos at home, the Seahawks are barely treading water. The 49ers are a mess. The Cardinals have a good chance to take that division. And they still all have to beat up on each other a bunch in the next month.
The NFC South seems to be a joke. The Saints look nigh invincible at home but on the road...good lord.
The East should come down to the Eagles and Cowboys...and I'd bet on the Cowboys (Foles is still crazy erratic).
And the North will come down the Lions and Packers...and the Lions are barely limping through.
I think the NFC will be Cowboys/Cardinals/Packers/Saints/Eagles/49ers. The Packers should get at least one or two wins in the playoffs if they get home games (where the defense has looked far better).
Of course, one injury to any of those teams could still change everything.
The Saints will probably now take the NFCS. Will the girls now wilt with Romo's back a mess? Evidently Romo suffered two transverse process fractures in last week's loss to the Washington Redskins. Romo did not practice all week and remained in a good amount of pain later in the week. That poor guy is gonna have back problems his entire life now. They are gonna start Weeden today against AZ. AZ might end up taking the west. We gotta root for whoever is playing the seachickens and SF just in case we need a WC spot. It would be wonderful if both of these teams missed the playoffs. Scoff if you like but ya never know...
I think Wist has pretty much summed it up. I disagree with his point the horses aren't there I think they are (with the exception of IlBs) I just think the coaches aren't maximizing the players' potential/putting them in a place to succeed.
Either playoff success this year or heads should roll, which should have happened last off season.
Beating the same dead horses year in and year out is SO tiresome. It really makes discussions here not much fun.
Last edited by George Cumby; 10-31-2014 at 03:07 PM.
HOFer
I would say we're also missing thd right talent on the d-line. But thats more by design then anything else. The staff wanted to go smaller and quicker up there when what we really need is bigger stronger fatter. An no, i dont think raji would have made a difference
Also something is seriously wrong with the o line and i have no clue what it is. Sitton is suppose to be a bro bowler, lang is suppose to be a boarder line pro bowler. Bulage was a border line pro bowler before injury. Bahk is solid, and the rookie center is suppose to be very solid for a rookie. Add then all together and you have a line that can only pass block for 1.5 seconds when all the wrs are running routes requiring at least 3 seconds to get open. And they cant run block to save their life. Poor eddie and starks are pretty much getting all their yardage on their own after getting hit in the backfield or at the line. Theres no holes for them
Ive said for ahile now that this staff is just clinging to a-rod. We win because of him and only because of him. The rest of the staff is nothing special imo
Wist, I'm not trying to bait you or anything, just curious what NFC teams you like at this point? If I remember correctly, before the season started you were singing the praises of Rob Ryan and the Saints D. They haven't looked too great.
I am guessing you like SF and Seattle? Or do you think Az and Dallas are for real?
Go PACK
I think Rob Ryan is a hell of a coach... Capers isn't even in the same leage as Ryan. That said, I don't know what all of their problems have been down there. They damn sure shut us out in the 2nd half of the game last week - while Capers gave up 44 pts.
As for the NFC, I think Dallas is for real - as long as Romo is healthy and doesn't revert to his choke MO. Their defense is better than ours, that's for sure. Seattle will right the ship, and they at least have the potential to play lights out defense, whereas we don't have that potential at all; Arizona, I think we would beat them in Lambeau, in Zona it would be a toss up; SF has our number, and I suspect they'll right the ship enough to be able to whip up on us again if we meet in the playoffs; Philly is much like we are, although their defense is probably better than ours - Foles is a wildcard, he's certainly nowhere near to being in Rodgers class; and as of now - we're looking up at Detroit. Detroit has more weapons on offense, and they certainly have a much better defense - so we'll see.
The NFC is more flawed than anyone could have imagined, but I still see us lagging behind the top teams. The top teams all have at least competent defenses, and of course our defense is piloted by a guy who doesn't care about stopping the run. To Dunderdummy, it's either stop the run and get gashed big-time in the passing game, or play the pass and concede the run - stopping both isn't possible in dunderdummy's mind.
Philosophically, we're simply too weak and too flawed to win another SB with 1265's current makeup. I think Stubby has it in him to make the necessary adjustments - even if it takes him forever to get there; dunderdummy on the other hand is a hopeless case - he's such a huge liability, I don't see how we can overcome having him as our DC.
wist
HOFer
I don't. Their defense was the worst EVER in NFL history last year. You don't solve that in one season.
5 of their last 7 games are on the road. Teams will stack the box like mad in the second half of the season and force the Cowboys to throw the ball. Romo will start making mistakes. They won't even win 10 games.
It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!
They lost to Arizona today, but Weeden was brutal... their defense is better than ours, their offense probably about the same - much better running game and OL.
The NFC is wider open than anyone could have imagined, but I still think the heavyweights will round into from by the end of the seaons. Anyone with a good defense can handle us, b/c if our offense is middling, our defense can't hold the fort.
Still, the NFC is very interesting this year... anything can happen, and as I said, Rodgers does give us a punchers chance in every game - we'll see.
wist
Do you truly believe our offense is just middling?
As soon as Tyrion showed up it was pretty obvious who he was, a Troll disguised as an Imp, a Clouseau-like disguise. I say let him stick around until he becomes disruptive. He generates discussion and livens the place up a little bit. Who knows, maybe he's grown up a bit, I doubt it, but one can hope
More love for Tyrion.As soon as Tyrion showed up it was pretty obvious who he was, a Troll disguised as an Imp, a Clouseau-like disguise. I say let him stick around until he becomes disruptive. He generates discussion and livens the place up a little bit. Who knows, maybe he's grown up a bit, I doubt it, but one can hope
I tell you, that Tyrion is a real people pleaser, a natural politician.
I have a very high tolerance for trolls, but I came from a bad family where conflict is considered normal. I probably don't belong with all these nice people either.
I think it needs to be said that this team is completely unlucky from an injury stand point lets not forget. How much better would this team be if Jermichael Finley, Nick Collins, and Desmond Bishop were all on the team?
Bishop's injury basically ended his career and Collins and Finley both had neck injuries. Imagine Collins and Bishop on defense, and Finely on offense. Completely different team. Thats not even considering the fact that our first round pick almost surely would have went on another player other than Clinton-Dix with Collins and Burnett at safety. Thats three really good players with two having probowl talent. Go find me one other team that has had as many career ending injuries to really good players as the packers have had in the last 5 years.
Thats not even considering other significant injuries along the way to Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Rodgers, Bulaga, and now Raji.
Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!
This is true.
On the other hand, injuries are a fact of life across the NFL. Look at San Francisco (not only injuries but substance abuse), Redskins, Atlanta, even Minnesota losing Peterson.
But your point is well-taken. This team is certainly different without Finley and Collins. We lost two All-Pro types there.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
SI_DougFarrar @SI_DougFarrar 24m24 minutes ago
Cardinals blitz 47 percent of the time over last two seasons and run sub-packages 74 percent this season. Have fun, Mr. Weeden.
The Cardinals this year and next year will be an interesting point of comparison to the Packers. Todd Bowles was, at one point, on the Packers radar, but I believe they were denied permission to interview him.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Wilde on Packers reports of their own run defense.
I think the summary of this article should be: We have no idea how to fix it.
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Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Despite not putting up pretty sack numbers, the Claymaker has been the Pack's best run defender thus far, imho.
Then you haven't seen him getting murdering in overpursuit on misdirection. He also has trouble making reads when he is inside in that 4-3 Elephant front.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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