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Thread: MVP debate: Who's most deserving? A.Rodgers - JJ Watt - T.Brady - P.Manning - D.Murray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    You are probably right, but it should be JJ Watt. He has been unbelievable. Tackles, sacks, passes defensed, interception TD, offensive TDs; really a remarkable season.
    Yes, JJ has been great but his wonderful play really hasn't helped his team be any better than mediocre or .500. Usually the MVP winner is on a winning/playoff team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    You are probably right, but it should be JJ Watt. He has been unbelievable. Tackles, sacks, passes defensed, interception TD, offensive TDs; really a remarkable season.
    Maybe they can put him in at QB and get him a few TD throws, too.

    And then have him drop-kick a PAT. That'd do it, for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27 View Post
    That's why the MVP won't be tainted and JJ Watt be the winner.

    It's right now Aaron Rodgers MVP to lose and he did a fine job of getting there in Buffalo.
    Tainted because he had a lousy game? Brady and Manning - 2 players also under consideration - have had stinkers this year too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister View Post
    Might as well switch the M and P in MVP around and call it the Peyton von Manning award. My bucks is on the Manning winning it again.
    Manning hasn't been the front runner in over a month now. If Rodgers doesn't win it then it will probably go to Brady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    Tainted because he had a lousy game? Brady and Manning - 2 players also under consideration - have had stinkers this year too.
    I believe that today....Aaron Rodgers is the leading MVP candidate.

    If he shows up with another 'stinker game' as he certainly had in Buffalo and that with occasional help of his receivers.

    He flushes that MVP down the toilet along with the Green Bay Packers 2014 Season.

    I believe that Aaron Rodgers will play extremely well Vs Tampa Bay and the Detroit LIONS.

    I believe Aaron Rodgers will lead the Green Bay Packers to the NFC NO. 2 Seed.

    I believe that Aaron Rodgers then will deserve to receive the NFL MVP Award again.

    If all I believe happens:


    Aaron Rodgers will be the 2014 NFL MVP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister View Post
    Thanks for the offer, but I have Dr. John Holmes, MD, PhD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    Tainted because he had a lousy game? Brady and Manning - 2 players also under consideration - have had stinkers this year too.

    It's how you finish. I wish MVP awards weren't decided until after the entire season is over. I'd like playoff performances to factor into the choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    It really shouldn't be an MVP award. People are used to that by now and perhaps earlier liked the rhyme.

    If you want to recognize the best season, regardless of team or position, it has to be Most Outstanding Player. Because no one on the field is more important than the best QBs.

    Watt would win the MOP.
    Agreed, which is why, as awarded, it is really an MVQB award. However, I think you can look at value to your team as currently constituted. A team with a lousy QB, or mediocre offense might have a defender, punter or kicker who is extremely valuable to them. Unfortunately, the media influences via popularity.

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    When was the last time a non QB won the award? It feels like it's pretty much the best teams/one of the best teams QB wins the award.

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    I decided to look since I was curious. It appears AP won the award as an RB in 2012. I completely forgot about that. Here's a list if anyone's interested.

    2013 NFL Peyton Manning Denver Broncos
    2012 NFL Adrian Peterson Minnesota Vikings
    2011 NFL Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers
    2010 NFL Tom Brady New England Patriots
    2009 NFL Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts
    2008 NFL Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts
    2007 NFL Tom Brady New England Patriots
    2006 NFL LaDainian Tomlinson San Diego Chargers
    2005 NFL Shaun Alexander Seattle Seahawks
    2004 NFL Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts
    2003 NFL Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts
    2003 NFL Steve McNair Tennessee Titans
    2002 NFL Rich Gannon Oakland Raiders
    2001 NFL Kurt Warner St. Louis Rams
    2000 NFL Marshall Faulk St. Louis Rams
    1999 NFL Kurt Warner St. Louis Rams
    1998 NFL Terrell Davis Denver Broncos
    1997 NFL Brett Favre Green Bay Packers
    1997 NFL Barry Sanders Detroit Lions
    1996 NFL Brett Favre Green Bay Packers
    1995 NFL Brett Favre Green Bay Packers
    1994 NFL Steve Young San Francisco 49ers
    1993 NFL Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys
    1992 NFL Steve Young San Francisco 49ers
    1991 NFL Thurman Thomas Buffalo Bills
    1990 NFL Joe Montana San Francisco 49ers
    1989 NFL Joe Montana San Francisco 49ers
    1988 NFL Boomer Esiason Cincinnati Bengals
    1987 NFL John Elway Denver Broncos
    1986 NFL Lawrence Taylor New York Giants
    1985 NFL Marcus Allen Los Angeles Raiders
    1984 NFL Dan Marino Miami Dolphins
    1983 NFL Joe Theismann Washington Redskins
    1982 NFL Mark Moseley Washington Redskins
    1981 NFL Ken Anderson Cincinnati Bengals
    1980 NFL Brian Sipe Cleveland Browns
    1979 NFL Earl Campbell Houston Oilers
    1978 NFL Terry Bradshaw Pittsburgh Steelers
    1977 NFL Walter Payton Chicago Bears
    1976 NFL Bert Jones Baltimore Colts
    1975 NFL Fran Tarkenton Minnesota Vikings
    1974 NFL Ken Stabler Oakland Raiders
    1973 NFL O.J. Simpson Buffalo Bills
    1972 NFL Larry Brown Washington Redskins
    1971 NFL Alan Page Minnesota Vikings
    1970 NFL John Brodie San Francisco 49ers
    1969 NFL Roman Gabriel Los Angeles Rams
    1968 NFL Earl Morrall Baltimore Colts
    1967 NFL Johnny Unitas Baltimore Colts
    1966 NFL Bart Starr Green Bay Packers
    1965 NFL Jim Brown Cleveland Browns
    1964 NFL Johnny Unitas Baltimore Colts
    1963 NFL Y.A. Tittle New York Giants
    1962 NFL Jim Taylor Green Bay Packers
    1961 NFL Paul Hornung Green Bay Packers
    1960 NFL Norm Van Brocklin Philadelphia Eagles
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    1958 NFL Jim Brown Cleveland Browns
    1957 NFL Jim Brown Cleveland Browns

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    It really shouldn't be an MVP award. People are used to that by now and perhaps earlier liked the rhyme.

    If you want to recognize the best season, regardless of team or position, it has to be Most Outstanding Player. Because no one on the field is more important than the best QBs.

    Watt would win the MOP.
    It's very difficult to make a case against a QB when it comes to the MVP award. Maybe baseball has it right by having a Cy Young and an MVP. There have been a few cases with both going to the same player, but that is only in exceptional situations.

    I vote the QB award get named...The Bart Starr Award!
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    Nice idea for the award name Guniness.

    I say give it to JJ Watt. Yeah his team is likely not making the playoffs but they have a chance thanks to him. If that doesnt convince you then maybe his sick dance moves on the cell phone commercial.

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    Rodgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mraynrand View Post
    I didn't know he offered his services in assisted suicide
    Doc Holmes not only posses a foot long wood, he also posses an MD and a PhD concurrently. That means he is authorized to prescribe dope. Two or 3 spoonful of heroins should do the trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guiness View Post

    I vote the QB award get named...The Bart Starr Award!
    As the top award in college football is named after the great USC Trojans RB, Heisman Trophy, the NFL MVP award should be named "The Manning" or the "P-Mann." Peyton Manning, after all, has won it more times than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister View Post
    As the top award in college football is named after the great USC Trojans RB, Heisman Trophy, the NFL MVP award should be named "The Manning" or the "P-Mann." Peyton Manning, after all, has won it more times than anyone else.
    He has to die first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27 View Post
    He has to die first.
    why? Are you a sadist?
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    JJ will get votes, but if Rodgers doesn't crap the bed in the final 2 games, I think he wins. It just won't be a slam dunk.
    All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister View Post
    As the top award in college football is named after the great USC Trojans RB, Heisman Trophy, the NFL MVP award should be named "The Manning" or the "P-Mann." Peyton Manning, after all, has won it more times than anyone else.
    Wikipedia:

    Heisman was born in Cleveland, Ohio, the son of Sara (née Lehr) and Johann Michael Heisman.[3]:3–6 He grew up in northwestern Pennsylvania near Titusville, where he played varsity football for Titusville High School in 1884, 1885, and 1886, and was salutatorian of his graduating class.[4] He went on to play football at Brown University (1887–1889)[2] and at the University of Pennsylvania (1890–1891).[5] He graduated from the University of Pennsylvania Law School in 1892.[5]


    Also, Woodbuck might be on to something, the award bearing his name wasn't named that until his death.
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    The media is all over this:

    Add Tony Romo and to some extent Russell Wilson to the NFL MVP conversation.

    Might Tony Romo win this award? Discuss.
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