Packers dominate all-division team on offense

[MadScientist]

TIME TO GIVE CAMPEN CREDIT FOR HIS COACHING UP OF THIS OL ??????????????????????????????????

Do we give him a pass for the first 8 games of the season? His lines are almost always the same, dog shit for the first few games, hit and miss for the next few, halfway decent for the next few, and pretty good for the last few. People like to just remember the last they've seen, and think that will continue into the next year, but it won't. They will start off shitty again.

[pbmax]

Do we give him a pass for the first 8 games of the season? His lines are almost always the same, dog shit for the first few games, hit and miss for the next few, halfway decent for the next few, and pretty good for the last few. People like to just remember the last they've seen, and think that will continue into the next year, but it won't. They will start off shitty again.

There is a little more to it than that the last two years. New centers (and a rookie center), injuries to tackles and Guards. Those things take their toll.

[esoxx]

there are few things in the world that interest me less than Bob McGinn's end-of-season all-division team.

Obviously jealous of McGinn's success in the journalism world compared with your hero, Cliff Christl.

Christl couldn't hold McGinn's jock strap.

Nor should he want to.

[mraynrand]

Obviously jealous of McGinn's success in the journalism world compared with your hero, Cliff Christl.

Christl couldn't hold McGinn's jock strap.

Nor should he want to.

LOL

[Patler]

I'm not only disinterested in the topic (not YOUR thread, but McGinn's column), but think it deserves a negative comment. That's why I posted Dad. You are a very saintly man of perfection. Congratulations.

"Saintly man of perfection"? "Lordly" (per your "comment" to me) HUH? I don't get it.
I have one more comment for you:

R-E-L-A-X

I started a thread thinking people might want to discuss the fact that all but one starter, and even the primary subs are "best in their division"; or that some we have wondered about (like Bakhtiari) have apparently stepped up or rebounded (Bulaga). Instead, most wanted to discuss the TEs, and You wanted to jab the concept of the poll. I decided to jab you all a bit, but apparently you want to argue your part of it. Since this thread is mostly a loser already anyway, I'm up for sparing.......SO.....

Just why is it that you often want to divert threads from the original topic?
More importantly, why do you resort so often to personal attacks, even name calling?

[Pugger]

Do we give him a pass for the first 8 games of the season? His lines are almost always the same, dog shit for the first few games, hit and miss for the next few, halfway decent for the next few, and pretty good for the last few. People like to just remember the last they've seen, and think that will continue into the next year, but it won't. They will start off shitty again.

Yes. We were starting a rookie at center. Now that he has all these games under his belt he doesn't look like a rookie out there. The loins knew Rodgers was immobile back there but they still hardly touched him except when he was lying on the ground. Once Aaron gets his legs back underneath him he will be his usual otherworldly self.

[Patler]

Yes. We were starting a rookie at center. Now that he has all these games under his belt he doesn't look like a rookie out there. The loins knew Rodgers was immobile back there but they still hardly touched him except when he was lying on the ground. Once Aaron gets his legs back underneath him he will be his usual otherworldly self.

I have been a big critic of Campen over the years. But, they do seem to have a very goof functioning line right now. Is it because of Campen? Wish I knew.

[mraynrand]

"Saintly man of perfection"? "Lordly" (per your "comment" to me) HUH? I don't get it.
I have one more comment for you:

R-E-L-A-X

I started a thread thinking people might want to discuss the fact that all but one starter, and even the primary subs are "best in their division"; or that some we have wondered about (like Bakhtiari) have apparently stepped up or rebounded (Bulaga). Instead, most wanted to discuss the TEs, and You wanted to jab the concept of the poll. I decided to jab you all a bit, but apparently you want to argue your part of it. Since this thread is mostly a loser already anyway, I'm up for sparing.......SO.....

Just why is it that you often want to divert threads from the original topic?
More importantly, why do you resort so often to personal attacks, even name calling?

I didn't force you to respond to my comments. But you kept coming back for more. All I did was voice my opinion about McGinn's "Best of the North" column, which I dislike. You never even thought to ask why. Please don't be hurt - it wasn't a negative comment against you, only McGinn.

You have a strange idea about personal 'attacks.' Still, you are very Lordly, kind Noble Sir.

[Pugger]

I have been a big critic of Campen over the years. But, they do seem to have a very goof functioning line right now. Is it because of Campen? Wish I knew.

I too have groused about Campen but somebody is doing something right. This line is playing at a very high level. Detroit knew Rodgers was hobbling but they still had trouble getting to him back there.

[Patler]

I didn't force you to respond to my comments. But you kept coming back for more. All I did was voice my opinion about McGinn's "Best of the North" column, which I dislike. You never even thought to ask why. Please don't be hurt - it wasn't a negative comment against you, only McGinn.

You have a strange idea about personal 'attacks.' Still, you are very Lordly, kind Noble Sir.

So replying to you, or asking about your response is "coming back for more". Should I consider you untouchable?

Hurt? Me? About what? Why would you even think that any comment from you would "hurt" me. I don't even know you, nor you me.

I just think it is a bit funny when grown adults resort to name-calling of any sort.

[Patler]

I too have groused about Campen but somebody is doing something right. This line is playing at a very high level. Detroit knew Rodgers was hobbling but they still had trouble getting to him back there.

Agreed. Thing is, we don't know how much Campen is in control, or how much others may be involved. A few years back when the line was playing poorly, MM said Philbin would be getting involved with the OL to give another perspective from his past OL experience. Not saying something similar is happening now, but who knows.

One thing that has intrigued me is that I never see or hear much from the players praising Campen, or crediting him for their development. We have heard those types of comments from many other players about their position coaches, but not much about Campen.

[Bretsky]

Agreed. Thing is, we don't know how much Campen is in control, or how much others may be involved. A few years back when the line was playing poorly, MM said Philbin would be getting involved with the OL to give another perspective from his past OL experience. Not saying something similar is happening now, but who knows.

One thing that has intrigued me is that I never see or hear much from the players praising Campen, or crediting him for their development. We have heard those types of comments from many other players about their position coaches, but not much about Campen.

I'm not sure I've hears much about past line coaches. Maybe it's just me but I seem to hear more about Edgar Bennett...Tom Clement....Kevin Greene. Those guys coach less players and in Bennett and Greene's case seem to be player's coaches.

I'm not sure I recall much more getting those praises. When Joe Phily was here he exceled at OL; I'm not sure we have that coach on our staff now.

We agree to disagree on this one. I've always felt Campen is at least average and not a coach I'd consider canning.

[mraynrand]

So replying to you, or asking about your response is "coming back for more". Should I consider you untouchable?

Hurt? Me? About what? Why would you even think that any comment from you would "hurt" me. I don't even know you, nor you me.

I just think it is a bit funny when grown adults resort to name-calling of any sort.

I understand, Patler, I think. I am impressed with you. Although you have an occasional lack of curiosity (you still seem not to wonder what I find objectionable about the McGinn column), you are the sentinel of sportsmanship, a paragon of virtue, sinless and unblemished, the very paschal lamb of packer rats.

[vince]

What I find interesting is everyone focused immediately on the only position on the entire starting offense not the best in the division. The Packers need help - at TE, 4th receiver and back-up QB. Damn the bad luck.

They've been mostly unheralded as far as I've seen, except by Rodgers and McCarthy in their PCs, but this offensive line, across the board, has done an outstanding job this year against some tough competition.

[woodbuck27]

What I find interesting is everyone focused immediately on the only position on the entire starting offense not the best in the division. The Packers need help - at TE, 4th receiver and back-up QB. Damn the bad luck.

They've been mostly unheralded as far as I've seen, except by Rodgers and McCarthy in their PCs, but this offensive line, across the board, has done an outstanding job this year against some tough competition.

Ditto.

[hoosier]

I would take this assessment with a big grain of salt. The offenses in the rest of the division were truly offensive this year, especially the Bears. Last year it was the Chicago OL that was getting all the props while the Packers OL was considered just average. Have things changed that much in one year?

[pbmax]

I worry Bach might be leading by being the best of a bad bunch. He gets beat by speed WAY too much for my comfort. Bulaga is also up and down. I would take a Tackle over a TE.

[Patler]

I understand, Patler, I think. I am impressed with you. Although you have an occasional lack of curiosity (you still seem not to wonder what I find objectionable about the McGinn column), you are the sentinel of sportsmanship, a paragon of virtue, sinless and unblemished, the very paschal lamb of packer rats.

and apparently you see me as naive, too????

I gave you several openings to explain your aversion to McGinn's annual endeavor, but you have offered nothing, not a single word in support or explanation of your original statement. Now, your greater interest seems to be in issuing backhanded compliments. Normally, I would simply ignore them, but I have been feeling a bit more argumentative the last day or so.

You are correct in one thing. I absolutely do not wonder what you find objectionable about the column, because I throw this column in the same category as pro-bowl selections. Neither is very meaningful in and of itself. One need look no further than the pro bowl selection of Jeff Saturday two years ago to see that. However, I still find reasons to discuss them.

If your objections are different, apparently they will have to remain one of the great mysteries of life, because I will not beg you for an explanation.

[vince]

I worry Bach might be leading by being the best of a bad bunch. He gets beat by speed WAY too much for my comfort. Bulaga is also up and down. I would take a Tackle over a TE.

Bulaga has had one down week this year - two sacks allowed by Wake in Week 6. 1 other sack allowed this year.

Can't find stats on Bakh but I don't remember him getting beat by speed much. My guess he's maybe allowed a handful of sacks this year. He used to be (last year) susceptible to power but always handled speed pretty well...

Rodgers has been pretty clean at least since the bye week as far as I recall.

[mraynrand]

I gave you several openings to explain your aversion to McGinn's annual endeavor

Not really. You just lectured, Dad. But, as you were in the position of ultimate, untouchable purity, I felt there was no possibility of measuring up.