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    Stubby probably had his head in his play-sheet and never saw the play. Instead of talking to the ref, he was probably shouting the next play into Rodgers' helmet.
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Stubby probably had his head in his play-sheet and never saw the play. Instead of talking to the ref, he was probably shouting the next play into Rodgers' helmet.
    Except we were on D at that point.
    But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
    Except we were on D at that point.
    Ooops!
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Ooops!
    Thank God for those adult diapers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
    Thank God for those adult diapers.
    Hey!!!!! ...I prefer to call them Maxie the Taxi Shock Absorbers.
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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    This is from the rule book"

    Article 8(f) states in pertinent part:

    "If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures . . ." (Emphasis added.)


    The ref could have penalized the SEA player for spearing/unnecessary roughness. That penalty can occur during a play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
    The ref could have penalized the SEA player for spearing/unnecessary roughness. That penalty can occur during a play.
    Right. I didn't see any spearing. Pierra didn't see any spearing.

    But regardless of your judgement there, the hit occurred a second (or more) after Russell Wilson was down. There is no reasonable argument that it wasn't a dead ball foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
    Right. I didn't see any spearing. Pierra didn't see any spearing.

    But regardless of your judgement there, the hit occurred a second (or more) after Russell Wilson was down. There is no reasonable argument that it wasn't a dead ball foul.
    And I didn't say there was. It is a possibility that is all I am mentioning it for.

    If the ref says it is during the play and the play clock is running already what can MM do? What does screaming at the ref do to help the team? The ref wasn't going to change his mind and I am sure had already given MM some sort of explanation of the penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
    This is from the rule book"

    Article 8(f) states in pertinent part:

    "If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures . . ." (Emphasis added.)


    The ref could have penalized the SEA player for spearing/unnecessary roughness. That penalty can occur during a play.
    OK you've arrived and I assume your done with your smoke screen on this one.

    The penalty 'in fact' was called and then declined!!

    Where is Mike McCarthy on this one? Talking to the Officials about it or planning on the next offensive play or sucking air? Any query in such direction is a smoke screen. It doesn't matter what he did as much as what he didn't do or accomplish for his team on that play.

    Mike McCarthy's job is to ensure that there is no way that penalty isn't enforced and Seattle pushed back deeper in their end of the field.

    Two plays later Seattle has moved the ball from their 41 yard line (not their 25) down to the Packers 19 and have a first down.

    Two ineffective Marshawn Lynch runs (1 yard and -1 yard) and a Russell Wilson incompleted pass and....

    Pete Carroll and holder Jon Ryan burn the Packers 'Big time' on the FG fake. The start of something big.

    A comeback !

    That whole thing is certainly due in part to Mike McCarthy not doing his job by ensuring that Unneccessariy Roughness penalty called on J. R. Sweezy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27 View Post
    OK you've arrived and I assume your done with your smoke screen on this one.

    The penalty 'in fact' was called and then declined!!

    Where is Mike McCarthy on this one? Talking to the Officials about it or planning on the next offensive play or sucking air? Any query in such direction is a smoke screen. It doesn't matter what he did as much as what he didn't do or accomplish for his team on that play.

    Mike McCarthy's job is to ensure that there is no way that penalty isn't enforced and Seattle pushed back deeper in their end of the field.

    Two plays later Seattle has moved the ball from their 41 yard line (not their 25) down to the Packers 19 and have a first down.

    Two ineffective Marshawn Lynch runs (1 yard and -1 yard) and a Russell Wilson incompleted pass and....

    Pete Carroll and holder Jon Ryan burn the Packers 'Big time' on the FG fake. The start of something big.

    A comeback !

    That whole thing is certainly due in part to Mike McCarthy not doing his job by ensuring that Unneccessariy Roughness penalty called on J. R. Sweezy.
    WB, do you still have the game recorded? What did the official describe the penalty as when he was saying the Packers declined it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bossman641 View Post
    What did the official describe the penalty as when he was saying the Packers declined it?
    The call was "unnecessary roughness." I remember being a little confused by vagueness.

    It is not unusual for refs to conference and pick up flags or otherwise alter calls - at least before the call is announced over PA. This call was never announced until AFTER McCarthy chose to decline penalty. And it happened VERY quickly. MM could have slowed that train down, forced a conference to review timing. He fucked up - or his staff did by not bringing wrong call to boss's attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bossman641 View Post
    WB, do you still have the game recorded? What did the official describe the penalty as when he was saying the Packers declined it?

    Thanks
    On that sack by Clay Matthews a flag is thrown.

    Troy Aikman is impressed with Clay Matthews movement to pursue Russell Wilson and make that SACK.

    Personal comment:

    That clutch play by CM III caused an important set back against Seattle. The Seattle offense was moving the ball very well from their own 22 yard line to the Green Bay 39 yard line in four plays. That sack came following a Seattle False Start.

    The game announcer announced " Personal Foul Offense Number 64 ... the penalty is declined...the result of the play is ... second down."
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27 View Post
    The penalty 'in fact' was called and then declined!!
    Why would you want him to accept the penalty, to make the Packers chances worse?

    1. Given how the play was called McCarthy had a choice (play starts as 1st and 15 from the GB 44)

    . . a. Take the sack, 2nd down and 30 from the Seattle 41

    . . b. Take the penalty and make it 1st and 30 from the Seattle 41

    What do he supposed to do?

    Also, take note:

    2. We have established despite earlier complaints that McCarthy was aware of the penalty and had to communicate to the refs.

    3. We have also established McCarthy wasn't selecting the next play since the Packers were on Defense.
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    Matthews fined $22K for his hit on Wilson (which I still maintain was clearly legal) and caused the Guard on the Seachickens to be fined $8K.

    Net loss for him and Packers still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Matthews fined $22K for his hit on Wilson (which I still maintain was clearly legal) and caused the Guard on the Seachickens to be fined $8K.

    Net loss for him and Packers still.
    I thought the Matthews hit was legal too, coming in from the side. BUT, the penalty didn't bother me in real time either. He got to put a nice like on the opposing team's QB. Chances are Wilson felt that right up until he started throwing TDs against a vacated secondary in the last 2 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    I thought the Matthews hit was legal too, coming in from the side. BUT, the penalty didn't bother me in real time either. He got to put a nice like on the opposing team's QB. Chances are Wilson felt that right up until he started throwing TDs against a vacated secondary in the last 2 minutes.
    IMO the reason Clay was fined is because he hit the QB in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    IMO the reason Clay was fined is because he hit the QB in the head.
    Oh yeah. Now that you say that, I may have wondered if that was the case when I saw the replay.

    I do think it's unfortunate when a player slides into a blow like that. Clay wasn't going for the head, but Wilson is close to being on his knees at the point of contact. Still a technical penalty, but I don't have to like it.

    And if Wilson is no longer the QB (i.e. after he throws the INT, he's just a defender like anyone else), does he still get that protection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    Oh yeah. Now that you say that, I may have wondered if that was the case when I saw the replay.

    I do think it's unfortunate when a player slides into a blow like that. Clay wasn't going for the head, but Wilson is close to being on his knees at the point of contact. Still a technical penalty, but I don't have to like it.

    And if Wilson is no longer the QB (i.e. after he throws the INT, he's just a defender like anyone else), does he still get that protection?
    I suppose if it had been Rodgers who got hit like that we wouldn't care for it at all.

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    It'd be interesting to hear the conversation between the official and MM.
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