An Attempt At Discussing McCarthy's Future

[vince]

and Mike McCarthy will still be THE SAME MIKE MCCARTHY.

He won't get his team another Super Bowl win unless he makes some serious changes.

That man has to first and foremost hold himself responsible for that loss today.

That's a decent and understandable start.

I give up. Serious changes? Replacing their 3rd string TE on the hands team is a change that woulda got him to the Super Bowl this year. How serious is that?

[woodbuck27]

I give up. Serious changes? Replacing their 3rd string TE on the hands team is a change that woulda got him to the Super Bowl this year. How serious is that?

vince:

Brandon Bostic screwed up. That's too obvious to even discuss.

What's even worse is to park the total Green Bay Packer collapse on that successful for Seattle onside kick. If 'on side kicks' were never successful would Seattle have tried to execute one?

I maintain that many things transpired to allow a victory for Seattle.Let's neglect anything that transpired good, bad or indifferent in the opening half.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201501...yze=playbyplay

In this LINK:

** Observe what the NFL.COM Analyst Team of Greg Rosenthal, Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler have to say about the game.

** Also study the Play By Play starting at 4:56 remaining in the 3rd Qtr.

NOTE:

With 4:56 remaining in the 3rd Qtr. The Score is Green Bay 16 - Seattle 0.

[pbmax]

What's even worse is to park the total Green Bay Packer collapse on that successful for Seattle onside kick. If 'on side kicks' were never successful would Seattle have tried to execute one?

Yes, because it was their only hope. 20% of expected onside kicks work.

[ThunderDan]

Brandon Bostic screwed up. That's too obvious to even discuss.

You agree with me now that Bostick screwed up.

Will you apologize to me for your rants now too?

[King Friday]

I don't think you can even consider firing McCarthy. He put this team in position to win a game in Seattle that most Packer fans weren't expecting us to win. It is dumb to take away his successful Super Bowl run...IT HAPPENED. No reason to exclude it and focus only on the failures.

However, there are some valid points regarding his shortcomings...and whether or not we've seen any IMPROVEMENT in those areas over the last 3-4 years. Who is going to hold McCarthy accountable to improve in those areas? Does Thompson understand enough about coaching to challenge McCarthy?

I think it is clear after this epic loss that some big changes need to be made. That doesn't mean taking playcalling away from McCarthy or firing Capers...but when your team as a whole fails MULTIPLE TIMES when it counts on the NFCC game stage, and many of those failures came in areas that have been areas of concern for some time, you can't just "keep on keeping on".

[Striker]

I don't think you can even consider firing McCarthy. He put this team in position to win a game in Seattle that most Packer fans weren't expecting us to win. It is dumb to take away his successful Super Bowl run...IT HAPPENED. No reason to exclude it and focus only on the failures.

However, there are some valid points regarding his shortcomings...and whether or not we've seen any IMPROVEMENT in those areas over the last 3-4 years. Who is going to hold McCarthy accountable to improve in those areas? Does Thompson understand enough about coaching to challenge McCarthy?

I think it is clear after this epic loss that some big changes need to be made. That doesn't mean taking playcalling away from McCarthy or firing Capers...but when your team as a whole fails MULTIPLE TIMES when it counts on the NFCC game stage, and many of those failures came in areas that have been areas of concern for some time, you can't just "keep on keeping on".

I don't think you can fire McCarthy either. I'm pissed about how he coached today, and his status as an "elite" coach certainly took a shot with today's debacle.

But look at some of those other highly regarded coaches out there that are now retired such as Dungy and Cowher. Only 2 SB championships between them (and a lot of coming up short moments) but they had ridiculously long tenures with their respective teams.

That being said, the Packers need to hope that MM takes a good look at his own in-game strategies and makes an active attempt to fix it.

[mraynrand]

I dunno, Stubby seems to improve with the health of his players. even today, there were a ton of yards left on the field because Rodgers couldn't run.

Everyone - and most people here, myself included - thought the Seachickens were gonna win. Stubby and his staff punked the shit outta Seattle for 55 minutes and then collapsed with as absurd a collection of errors and odd circumstances as you'll ever see. Good coaches don't make the playoffs 6 straight years. Great coaches do. Stubby has proven himself a great coach. Until he starts winning 5-6 games/year for several years, he's gonna stay in GB. Watch today's game again and you'll see a coach who adapted well to the defense he had to play. It just collapsed horribly.

[pbmax]

I dunno, Stubby seems to improve with the health of his players. even today, there were a ton of yards left on the field because Rodgers couldn't run.

Everyone - and most people here, myself included - thought the Seachickens were gonna win. Stubby and his staff punked the shit outta Seattle for 55 minutes and then collapsed with as absurd a collection of errors and odd circumstances as you'll ever see. Good coaches don't make the playoffs 6 straight years. Great coaches do. Stubby has proven himself a great coach. Until he starts winning 5-6 games/year for several years, he's gonna stay in GB. Watch today's game again and you'll see a coach who adapted well to the defense he had to play. It just collapsed horribly.

And his healthy players beat the crap out of the Seachickens for 50 minutes.

[Harlan Huckleby]

And his healthy players beat the crap out of the Seachickens for 50 minutes.

More like 52 minutes, 48 seconds.

The Semen scored 15 points in 45 seconds, according to Homer's reckoning

[Smidgeon]

I dunno, Stubby seems to improve with the health of his players. even today, there were a ton of yards left on the field because Rodgers couldn't run.

Everyone - and most people here, myself included - thought the Seachickens were gonna win. Stubby and his staff punked the shit outta Seattle for 55 minutes and then collapsed with as absurd a collection of errors and odd circumstances as you'll ever see. Good coaches don't make the playoffs 6 straight years. Great coaches do. Stubby has proven himself a great coach. Until he starts winning 5-6 games/year for several years, he's gonna stay in GB. Watch today's game again and you'll see a coach who adapted well to the defense he had to play. It just collapsed horribly.

Remaining competitive late in the season with low round draft picks and few first round picks panning out due to injury or talent implies that M3 and staff are doing well (especially the offense). Today's collapse wasn't about offensive coaching. It was a defensive catastrophe in the last 5 minutes of regulation. It just fell apart.

[mraynrand]

Remaining competitive late in the season with low round draft picks and few first round picks panning out due to injury or talent implies that M3 and staff are doing well (especially the offense). Today's collapse wasn't about offensive coaching. It was a defensive catastrophe in the last 5 minutes of regulation. It just fell apart.

I think it was a sort of equal opportunity collapse. I really believe that the cause was a change in attitude following the last INT. Everyone switched into kneel-down mode, and they couldn't restart the engines.

[Smidgeon]

I think it was a sort of equal opportunity collapse. I really believe that the cause was a change in attitude following the last INT. Everyone switched into kneel-down mode, and they couldn't restart the engines.

I maintain that all the Packers had to do was to slow (not stop) down the Seahawks offense in the last five minutes. A two possession game where possessions were routinely taking 7 minutes off the clock on both sides meant all the defense had to do was to make the Seahawks earn their points. There wasn't enough time to earn them all. But then there was a collapse.

[ThunderDan]

I maintain that all the Packers had to do was to slow (not stop) down the Seahawks offense in the last five minutes. A two possession game where possessions were routinely taking 7 minutes off the clock on both sides meant all the defense had to do was to make the Seahawks earn their points. There wasn't enough time to earn them all. But then there was a collapse.

I maintain that Bostick needed to get his head out of his ass and do his job on the onside kick and the game was over.

Of course one first down by the O sealed the deal also.

[pbmax]

I maintain that all the Packers had to do was to slow (not stop) down the Seahawks offense in the last five minutes. A two possession game where possessions were routinely taking 7 minutes off the clock on both sides meant all the defense had to do was to make the Seahawks earn their points. There wasn't enough time to earn them all. But then there was a collapse.

That is the trouble though. While wist has burned out his flight or fight response to Capers D, it has had repeated trouble playing bend but don't break defense late in games. Packers D has terrible numbers in the 4th Quarter. Some of this is playing out a lead, but it also points to problems with zone coverage. They just don't play it well.

The TD at the end with no safety was a run blitz, but much of the trouble was having everyone back in a zone.

[wist43]

There will be no changes... Ted doesn't make rash decisions.

They'll rationalize that the coaching decisions played no role in the loss - they'll cash their paychecks, and we'll see everyone again next fall.

[woodbuck27]

There will be no changes... Ted doesn't make rash decisions.

They'll rationalize that the coaching decisions played no role in the loss - they'll cash their paychecks, and we'll see everyone again next fall.

The facts of life and Packer Nation.

[mr_blonde]

The facts of life and Packer Nation.

This!

[domey]

"That being said, the Packers need to hope that MM takes a good look at his own in-game strategies and makes an active attempt to fix it."

Yep!

[mraynrand]

So, with that being said, how long of a leash do you give Mike? This team is too talented to miss out on playoffs, but an attitude of just making it year after year only to fall one or two games short isn't pleasing anybody. When do you say enough is enough?

Once I become rational again in a few days, after I talk to Cleveland Brown fans for a reality check, I will reflect on all the fun in this season. I will be very pleased at all the wins I got to watch. Falling short is not fun, but all but one have to experience it every year. So get used to it.

[domey]

Once I become rational again in a few days, after I talk to Cleveland Brown fans for a reality check, I will reflect on all the fun in this season. I will be very pleased at all the wins I got to watch. Falling short is not fun, but all but one have to experience it every year. So get used to it.

Me too, I think. As I just told my wife, it is not that they lost, it is how they lost.