I missed the section in the rulebook where it says cheating is allowed as long as you win by 30+ points.
I missed the section in the rulebook where it says cheating is allowed as long as you win by 30+ points.
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No offense but as mentioned previously Rodgers ADMITTED they over-inflate the balls......should the Packers get the same penalty as anything the Pats get?Originally Posted by Bossman641
This is really minor, the only concerning thing is these dudes seem to have a pattern of bending the rules and getting busted.
I believe Rodgers likes them over-inflated and then relies on the refs to check and request changes. That's a little different than having them checked and approved and then making changes after the fact.
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I will grant you the slight distinction. One is slightly more underhanded, although the intent is the same for both. I still think this is pretty minor, and I'm no Pats fan.
The intent in one is to provide balls that meet the requirements so they are approved and intentionally deceive the refs knowing that you can then do whatever you want to the balls.
The intent in the other is to get as close as possible to the upper amount the refs will allow.
Maybe it's homerism, but I agree. From what Rodgers said, he puts in as much air as he thinks he can get away with, then gives the balls to the refs. If they say it's ok, then it's ok. Brady doctored (or had them doctored) after they passed inspection.
All of this is pretty comical, and the timing of it is part of that. In reality, the Patriots should be punished. Now. The league has 2 weeks to sort it out, plenty of time. Fine Brady or the team, call him into the commisioners office to explain, whatever they decide. But, with the SB coming up, they just can't, there was an article on PFT that said as of 4 days after the game, the league hadn't even contacted Brady to discuss it
This is looking an awful lot like the way they handled the Rice thing, bury their head in the sand, and ignore the evidence that is there for the taking, and hope it all goes away
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Is there any evidence that the Patriots deflated the balls after the referees inspected them? Isn't it possible that the officials failed to detect that the balls were under-inflated when they inspected them? After all, an official would have handled the ball after every Patriot offensive play and apparently didn't notice anything wrong.Maybe it's homerism, but I agree. From what Rodgers said, he puts in as much air as he thinks he can get away with, then gives the balls to the refs. If they say it's ok, then it's ok. Brady doctored (or had them doctored) after they passed inspection.
All of this is pretty comical, and the timing of it is part of that. In reality, the Patriots should be punished. Now. The league has 2 weeks to sort it out, plenty of time. Fine Brady or the team, call him into the commisioners office to explain, whatever they decide. But, with the SB coming up, they just can't, there was an article on PFT that said as of 4 days after the game, the league hadn't even contacted Brady to discuss it
This is looking an awful lot like the way they handled the Rice thing, bury their head in the sand, and ignore the evidence that is there for the taking, and hope it all goes away
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Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
The score of the game should have no bearing on the punishment. I say force the Patriots to provide recordings of their entire practices to all 32 teams and to play with greased footballs while on offense.
Evidently an under-inflated ball is easier to throw/grip and catch in cool wet conditions like we saw in the AFCC game. This is so stupid of NE if indeed they are found guilty. Did they think nobody would find out? I really wonder if an over-flated ball would be an advantage. And the league is aware of what Rodgers said but as far as we know the league isn't investigating that. I don't know if there is a limit on over-inflating the footballs.
This misdeed seems minor but I find the fact that NE has this history of bending the rules and outright cheating disturbing. I have a feeling so does Goodell and company. It will be interesting to see what punishment is doled out after the SB.
much to-do about nothing. teams should be able to have the ball(s) the way they want...that or completely take away that duty and put it in the hands of the league/officials.
Hoody genius just had another press conference and shed more light on the matter.
In this effort he gives the NFL all they really need to simply let this matter go.
Here it is:
Handling the ball caused (friction) to temporarily increase the air pressure as it was measured at game time.
Two hours later the balls cool and correspondingly the balls interior pressure (psi) drops.
Pressure and Temperature being directly proportional.
It's over it's done ...
Troy Aikman should have stood mum.
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All 12 of the Colts balls were at proper pressure and played in the same, not so cold temperature (51 degrees at gamete) in the same game at the same time. Measured at the same time.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
PB that's what I was hoping one of the reporters would have asked Hoody at the presser. It seems an obvious question to what Hoody was throwing out there as a possible reason for the low pressure in NE's footballs.
Plus, why the hell is the league allowing the Patriots to basically investigate themselves on this one?
Last edited by TravisWilliams23; 01-24-2015 at 05:52 PM.
Temperature drop accounts for .4 PSI. The balls were 2 PSI under inflated. And this assumes the refs did not wait, and measure the PSI immediately after the game out on the field.[WUSA9] Let’s assume that each ball was inflated to the minimum pressure required to meet the NFL rules regarding proper inflation: 12.5 psi. We convert psi (English) to pascals (Metric), which comes out to 86,184.5 Pa and assume room temperature (68ºF/20ºC) which converts to 293.15 K (Kelvin, the Metric equivalent). We now have,
86,184.5 Pa / 293.15 K = p2 / T2.
We’re down to two variables. But we also know the temperature on the field at the start of the game was reported as 51ºF/10.6ºC (283.15 K). Plug it in…
86,184.5 Pa / 293.15 K = p2 / 283.15 K
Neat! Look, we’re left with a solvable equation with one variable, p2, which is the pressure of the air inside the ball at game time! Let’s solve this riddle…
Isolate the lone variable:
(86,184.5 Pa / 293.15 K) * 283.15 K = p2
83,244.6 Pa = p2 —> 12.1 psi
83,244.6 Pa is 12.1 psi, so, according to our calculations, the balls could have been under-inflated by 0.4 psi on the field. This makes sense given the very first equation, which shows that a decrease in temperature would force a decrease in pressure, assuming the same volume of air in the football.
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Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Yes. They could play with zero psi to stop all throwing attacks. Why inflate them at all?
wow...you missed that by a mile. whoever the qb, if he likes the ball at a particular pressure let him have it the way. if brady likes it at 10.5 and flacco likes it at 11.25 who gives a crap? no one has an "advantage".
That's bang on !
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Last edited by woodbuck27; 01-24-2015 at 10:31 PM.
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Why not let each team decide on the length and width of their home field like baseball?
There is a rule book that all trams must follow. Seems simple to me.
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Under-inflated balls are easier for QBs, WRs and RBs to handle than firmer balls in inclement weather. If NE is using a football with a lower psi than their opponent you don't think the Pats would have an advantage? Even if the misdeed seems insignificant to us it was worth it to NE to break the rules. They must've felt it was worth getting caught to get a competitive advantage or else why bother?
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