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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
    I am not being defensive. I am trying to understand what the actual measurements are and how they actually work. It seems like YS method penalizes teams that are offensively explosive or start fast in games and win. I pointed out that our 19 game winning streak, which included a Super Bowl, earned ARod zero on YS rating scale.

    Football is such a team game that it is very hard to blame a QB for winning or losing just on the last drive or a "clutch factor" in a game.

    The perfect example to me is the Seattle game. If Ha Ha knocks down Wilson's balloon ball prayer two point conversion or instead of jumping to go after the ball tackles the TE after he catched the ball short of the end zone, ARod would be deemed clutch for leading the team down for a FG to win the game. Instead, ARod isn't clutch and gets blamed in this thread.
    Fair. Perhaps a better measure would be a percentage of 4QCB wins by opportunity. Though if HaHa knocks the ball down, I don't know if the remaining game transpires the same way (butterfly effect and all).

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    Ha Ha had two picks, in the game, and he could not slap down a silly duck, from Russell?
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    He cost the LA Dodgers the World Series, by making the last out at Third Base,
    A violation of a cardinal rule of baseball. His saving grace was he was tagged out in the face.

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    See the movie Moneyball, or read the book.

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    Close games in 2009:

    CHI: Bears hit FG to take 15-13 lead with 2:38 remaining. Rodgers hits Jennings for go-ahead TD with 1:18 remaining (2-point conversion good). Defense intercepts Cutler on subsequent drive.
    CIN: Bengals take a 31-21 lead with 2:00 remaining. Packers drive for FG with 0:49 remaining, and win onside kick. Rodgers hits Driver at Bengals 10 with 0:16 remaining, but Packers are unable to stop the clock in time (Spitz false started).
    MIN: Vikings take 31-20 lead with 13:39 remaining. Packers drive for TD on subsequent drive, but fail on 2-point conversion. 31-26. Packers force a punt, and then drive to Vikings 33, where Crosby misses the FG with 5:43 remaining. Vikings score TD on subsequent drive, putting the game out of reach.
    TB: Bucs take 31-28 lead with 4:20 remaining. Subsequent Packers and Bucs drives stall. On the next Packers drive, on 4th and 12 from their own 11, with 0:52 remaining, Rodgers throws a pick 6, which effectively ends the game.
    SF: 49ers score to trail 30-24, with 6:02 remaining. Packers conduct an 11 play drive to run out the clock.
    CHI: With a 14-13 lead going into the 4th quarter, Cutler throws an interception, returned to the Bears 11. Packers score a TD and 2-point conversion with 12:42 remaining, and make 3 defensive stops to end the game.
    PIT: Packers take a 36-30 lead with 2:12 remaining. Steelers subsequently march down the field, and score the winning TD on the last play of the game.

    Playoffs:
    AZ: Rodgers throws TD to tie game with 2:00 remaining. Cards drive to GB 16 and miss FG with 0:14 left. Packers receive in OT, and Cards score on a Rodgers fumble return.
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    2010:

    CHI: Packers take 17-14 lead with 6:59 remaining. Bears score FG on subsequent drive to tie, and on the Packers next drive, Jones fumbles. Bears drive and kick game-winning FG.
    WAS: Redskins tie game at 13-13 with 1:11 remaining. Packers drive to WAS 35, where Crosby misses FG. In OT, Packers and Redskins drives stall. On subsequent Packers drive, Rodgers throws INT at GB 39. Redskins drive and kick winning FG.
    MIA: Packers down 20-13 with 5:29 remaining. Packers tie on a Rodgers sneak with 0:16 remaining. In OT, Dolphins and Packers drives stall. Dolphins subsequently drive to kick winning FG.
    ATL: Packers down 17-10 with 5:59 remaining. Packers drive 90 yards to score on Rodgers TD pass with 1:06 remaining. Falcons drive and kick winning FG with 0:13 remaining.
    CHI: Tied 3-3, Rodgers throws TD pass with 12:46 remaining. Packers defense holds on three subsequent drives to seal the victory.

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    2011:

    NYG: Giants tie game at 35-35 with 1:02 remaining. Packers subsequently drive and kick game winning FG with 0:03 remaining.

    2012:

    SF: Packers score on Rodgers TD pass to make it 30-22 with 6:09 remaining. Packers defense gets a stop with 3:45 remaining. Packers subsequent drive stalls on down with 0:54 remaining, on the 49ers 45.
    SEA: Packers score with 8:53 remaining to take 12-7 lead. Seahawks subsequently turn the ball over on downs with 2:00 remaining. Packers subsequently go three and out (sounds familiar), and then Fail Mary occurs.
    NO: Packers go ahead 28-27 on Rodgers TD pass with 7:05 remaining. Saints drive and miss a FG with 2:54 remaining. Packers subsequently convert a first down to end the game.
    IND: Colts take a 22-21 lead with 8:08 left. Subsequent Packers and Colts drives stall. On the following drive, Packers score TD and miss 2-point conversion with 4:34 remaining. Colts subsequently drive and score TD and 2-point conversion to make it 30-27 with 0:39 remaining. Packers drive to Colts 33 and miss tying FG with 0:08 left.
    MIN: Down 27-24, Packers kick FG with 12:25 remaining. Vikings subsequently drive and score a TD with 8:03 left. Packers subsequently drive and score a TD with 2:57 remaining. Vikings subsequently drive and kick game winner with 0:03 left.

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    This has been an interesting thread to say the least. In the end I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers under center right now over any other QB in the league - including Brady. Brady is great but he's closer to the end of his career compared to AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    This has been an interesting thread to say the least. In the end I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers under center right now over any other QB in the league - including Brady. Brady is great but he's closer to the end of his career compared to AR.
    I would agree to that IF Rodgers had a competent coach calling the plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by th87 View Post
    Close games in 2009:

    CHI: Bears hit FG to take 15-13 lead with 2:38 remaining. Rodgers hits Jennings for go-ahead TD with 1:18 remaining (2-point conversion good). Defense intercepts Cutler on subsequent drive.
    CIN: Bengals take a 31-21 lead with 2:00 remaining. Packers drive for FG with 0:49 remaining, and win onside kick. Rodgers hits Driver at Bengals 10 with 0:16 remaining, but Packers are unable to stop the clock in time (Spitz false started).
    MIN: Vikings take 31-20 lead with 13:39 remaining. Packers drive for TD on subsequent drive, but fail on 2-point conversion. 31-26. Packers force a punt, and then drive to Vikings 33, where Crosby misses the FG with 5:43 remaining. Vikings score TD on subsequent drive, putting the game out of reach.
    TB: Bucs take 31-28 lead with 4:20 remaining. Subsequent Packers and Bucs drives stall. On the next Packers drive, on 4th and 12 from their own 11, with 0:52 remaining, Rodgers throws a pick 6, which effectively ends the game.
    SF: 49ers score to trail 30-24, with 6:02 remaining. Packers conduct an 11 play drive to run out the clock.
    CHI: With a 14-13 lead going into the 4th quarter, Cutler throws an interception, returned to the Bears 11. Packers score a TD and 2-point conversion with 12:42 remaining, and make 3 defensive stops to end the game.
    PIT: Packers take a 36-30 lead with 2:12 remaining. Steelers subsequently march down the field, and score the winning TD on the last play of the game.

    Playoffs:
    AZ: Rodgers throws TD to tie game with 2:00 remaining. Cards drive to GB 16 and miss FG with 0:14 left. Packers receive in OT, and Cards score on a Rodgers facemask fumble return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    Fixed.
    I think you missed blow to the head of a QB first before the facemask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutnstrut View Post
    I would agree to that IF Rodgers had a competent coach calling the plays.
    Do you mean the guy who's offense has ranked in the top 10 4 of the past 5 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    Do you mean the guy who's offense has ranked in the top 10 4 of the past 5 years?
    And the coach with the second highest points per game in NFL history?
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    I think he's talking about the coach who was in charge of playcalling during "The Big Choke" a few weeks ago in Seattle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    I think he's talking about the coach who was in charge of playcalling during "The Big Choke" a few weeks ago in Seattle.
    That's an extremely myopic perspective if so. Four minutes out of nine years does not define a coach. And extrapolating what Vince has argued, those four minutes weren't necessarily even bad play calling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    I think he's talking about the coach who was in charge of playcalling during "The Big Choke" a few weeks ago in Seattle.
    I would like you or anyone else to explain what was so terrible about the playcalling. Because we ran the ball late in the game up by 12? Thats just logical. It's the weirdest paradox to me. the same section of fans seem to say aaron was sloppy and innaccurate and not himself because of his injury, yet claim McCarthy is a buffoon for not throwing the ball all over the field with 5 mins left up by 12. Can anyone explain that to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    That's an extremely myopic perspective if so. Four minutes out of nine years does not define a coach. And extrapolating what Vince has argued, those four minutes weren't necessarily even bad play calling.
    I think both these things can be true. M3 and Rodgers score an astronomical amount of points in 3 quarters. When the entire offense is made available to them, its beautiful.

    I am less impressed with the 4 minute offense's construction. Its not competence, its the approach to minimizing risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    I think both these things can be true. M3 and Rodgers score an astronomical amount of points in 3 quarters. When the entire offense is made available to them, its beautiful.

    I am less impressed with the 4 minute offense's construction. Its not competence, its the approach to minimizing risk.
    I would suggest it's also competence. They have only had a running back with that kind of skill for two years. And they have only had that running back AND AR on the field when both have been healthy for roughly a year. Throw in an offensive line that's finally hitting its stride, and I could argue that they're building their competence for the 4 minute offense, but it isn't there yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    That's an extremely myopic perspective if so. Four minutes out of nine years does not define a coach. And extrapolating what Vince has argued, those four minutes weren't necessarily even bad play calling.
    Yes, if the players had done their jobs and executed the plays we wouldn't be questioning things today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisnowman View Post
    I would like you or anyone else to explain what was so terrible about the playcalling. Because we ran the ball late in the game up by 12? Thats just logical. It's the weirdest paradox to me. the same section of fans seem to say aaron was sloppy and innaccurate and not himself because of his injury, yet claim McCarthy is a buffoon for not throwing the ball all over the field with 5 mins left up by 12. Can anyone explain that to me?
    The subject has been talked to death in another thread(s). The gist of it is if you have to get over a brick wall to win a game, sometimes it makes sense to jump over the wall rather than keep butting your head against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    Yes, if the players had done their jobs and executed the plays we wouldn't be questioning things today.
    I agree. Lacy had three plays to get a first down after Burnett's interception. He didn't do his job and failed to execute. Fire Lacy...or maybe fire the OL. They didn't do their job either.
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