Yes. While other QBs are the victim of this and other QBs would benefit from this type of analysis, what we're saying here is due to Sanders/Capers/Slocum/defense/special teams, Rodgers in general hasn't had the other parts of the team bail him out as much as other QBs have. The Bears defenses consistently putting Cutler in a position to win are a great example of this.Originally Posted by pbmax
I'm not saying that Rodgers can't improve. He can. But this metric--due to our recent bad Q4 defenses--puts him on the other end of the spectrum from Tom Brady and Russel Wilson.
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No, it depends on the relative quality of the receivers and whether they are 'clutch.' So you need deep analysis of all receivers and expert analysis by people familiar with the routes, etc.
And better QBs might be even MORE victimized as eventually their greatness and $$ tend to reduce the quality of available receivers. Making Tom Brady all the more impressive. Even Bert had some great comebacks throwing the ball to a collection of losers, like Kittrick Taylor, Corey Bradford, Jeff Thomason, and David Martin. Fortunately, Favre sucked enough to put himself in position for some awesome comebacks, making him collectively better than Rodgers, who typically refuses to throw early interceptions that put the Packers in a hole from which he can then rescue them.
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We have that data:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/clu...ounters-week-1Code:QB 4QC W 4QC L Pct. Rk LC Adj. W Adj. L Pct. Rk Diff. Rk Brandon Weeden 1 10 0.091 30 3 4 7 0.364 24 0.273 1 Aaron Rodgers 6 25 0.194 27 8 14 17 0.452 14 0.258 2 Russell Wilson 8 8 0.500 3 4 12 4 0.750 1 0.250 3 Drew Brees 23 42 0.354 12 13 36 29 0.554 6 0.200 4 Cam Newton 6 17 0.261 23 4 10 13 0.435 16 0.174 5 Joe Flacco 12 23 0.343 14 6 18 17 0.514 8 0.171 6 Matt Stafford 10 22 0.313 17 5 15 17 0.469 12 0.156 7 Eli Manning 25 31 0.446 6 7 32 24 0.571 4 0.125 8 Matt Cassel 8 17 0.320 16 3 11 14 0.440 15 0.120 9 Matt Schaub 11 26 0.297 21 4 15 22 0.405 19 0.108 10 Roethlisberger 23 34 0.404 9 6 29 28 0.509 10 0.105 11 Michael Vick 12.5 25.5 0.329 15 4 16.5 21.5 0.434 17 0.105 12 Andy Dalton 6 14 0.300 19 2 8 12 0.400 20 0.100 13 Carson Palmer 17 43 0.283 22 6 23 37 0.383 21 0.100 14 Chris Ponder 1.5 8.5 0.150 29 1 2.5 7.5 0.250 29 0.100 15 Peyton Manning 40 47 0.460 5 7 47 40 0.540 7 0.080 16 Tony Romo 20 30 0.400 10 4 24 26 0.480 11 0.080 17 Matt Ryan 18 23 0.439 7 3 21 20 0.512 9 0.073 18 Tom Brady 31 28 0.525 2 4 35 24 0.593 3 0.068 19 Andrew Luck 8 7 0.533 1 1 9 6 0.600 2 0.067 20 Ryan Tannehill 5 11 0.313 18 1 6 10 0.375 23 0.063 21 Robert G III 4 12 0.250 24 1 5 11 0.313 26 0.063 22 C Kaepernick 4.5 4.5 0.500 4 1 5 4 0.556 5 0.056 23 Jason Campbell 7 29 0.194 25 2 9 27 0.250 27 0.056 24 Fitzpatrick 7 29 0.194 26 2 9 27 0.250 28 0.056 25 Philip Rivers 17 40 0.298 20 3 20 37 0.351 25 0.053 26 Chad Henne 4 18 0.182 28 1 5 17 0.227 30 0.045 27 Alex Smith 11 18 0.379 11 1 12 17 0.414 18 0.034 28 Sam Bradford 5.5 10.5 0.344 13 1 6 10 0.375 22 0.031 29 Jay Cutler 16 21 0.432 8 1 17 20 0.459 13 0.027 30
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That is interesting. Basically what it concludes is the Packers are one of the worst teams in those situations with Rodgers as their qb. And that their defense and special teams contribute more to these failures than almost any other team. So after a detailed thorough, evaluation how does A-Rod perform in crunch time, with the game on the line................??????
Average.
For a 2 time MVP, and what people like to claim is the best qb to ever play, I still contend that is not good enough. Especially when all the qbs that are statistically better than him in this regard, look to play for teams we will likely have to beat in close games on the way to a title.
Sigh....Jesus. I really don't think our special teams and coaching contribute to last minute losses much more than the average team. You think McCarthy is questionable, I live in Atlanta. Mike Smith made objectively horrible decisions with clock management that cost them 3 games this season alone.
I'm not even sure how you would adjust wins for coaching, but anyway I would doubt even with wins adjusted that would bump A-rod more than a spot or two.
You might think that, but remember that the Head Coach's plan in tight games with a tight lead is to take the ball out of his Quarterback's hands.
Also, from your earlier comment, I don't think I have seen any commenters on this site claim Rodgers is the best ever. Best currently playing? Yes. Best INT rate? Yes. Best Passer Rating ever? Yes. But not greatest of all time.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Ok agree to disagree. I think that if all the numbers were hashed out and analyzed that his performance in late game situations with the game on the line, needing a drive or a score or a key couple of first downs....we would find that that is likely the weakest part of his all around game. Compared especially to how great he is in all other areas.