ARE WE GIVING AROD A FREE PASS ??????????????????

[Packman_26]

Like I said, this collapse is entirely on the coaching staff...

We have to give them credit for having us in position to win the game, but in that instance I give more of the credit to the players - but that collapse was just breathtaking, and that is entirely on MM and dunderdummy.

MM has definitely earned the title of choker.

This is just amazing. We only give McCarthy and Capers a little dab of credit for the good and 100% of the bad. What exactly should they have done differently when the balls hits Bostick in the damn head? Or on the play that Pepper and Burnett decide that 6 more points aren't necessary? Did Clinton-Dix think Capers was going to throw his toupée at the ball and break up the 2 point conversion?
McCarthy is a choker? He only has the 15th best winning percentage of any coach in NFL history (.003 behind Belichick). He's #39 all time in playoff winning percentage (.004 behind Holmgren) and a better playoff winning percentage than Don Shula, Mike Ditka, Paul Brown, and Tony Dungy.
I'm sure just about all of us live and die with the Packers, so I differently get the frustration you have because I have it too. But I just don't see any logic in this.

[wist43]

This is just amazing. We only give McCarthy and Capers a little dab of credit for the good and 100% of the bad. What exactly should they have done differently when the balls hits Bostick in the damn head? Or on the play that Pepper and Burnett decide that 6 more points aren't necessary? Did Clinton-Dix think Capers was going to throw his toupée at the ball and break up the 2 point conversion?
McCarthy is a choker? He only has the 15th best winning percentage of any coach in NFL history (.003 behind Belichick). He's #39 all time in playoff winning percentage (.004 behind Holmgren) and a better playoff winning percentage than Don Shula, Mike Ditka, Paul Brown, and Tony Dungy.
I'm sure just about all of us live and die with the Packers, so I differently get the frustration you have because I have it too. But I just don't see any logic in this.

Yes, McCarthy is a choker - he's proven that more times than not. He's proven exactly 1 time that he could get it done, he's failed every other time.

And this particular fail was epic. He, and dunderdummy, essentially tried to run out the hourglass from the 5:00 minute mark on - that's not playing to win, that's hoping the other team doesn't do enough to win. It's the difference between being proactive and being passive. Passive will get you beat every time.

Did some of the players make stupid plays?? Yes they did... but that flows from the Head Coach on down. If the Head Coach is going to stick his head in the sand, what choice do the players have but to join him?? It puts everyone on their back foot, it introduces doubt and hope, as opposed to aggression and taking hope away from you opponent.

Sun tsu... in the end, responsibility always falls to the General.

[woodbuck27]

Yes, McCarthy is a choker - he's proven that more times than not. He's proven exactly 1 time that he could get it done, he's failed every other time.

And this particular fail was epic. He, and dunderdummy, essentially tried to run out the hourglass from the 5:00 minute mark on - that's not playing to win, that's hoping the other team doesn't do enough to win. It's the difference between being proactive and being passive. Passive will get you beat every time.

Did some of the players make stupid plays?? Yes they did... but that flows from the Head Coach on down. If the Head Coach is going to stick his head in the sand, what choice do the players have but to join him?? It puts everyone on their back foot, it introduces doubt and hope, as opposed to aggression and taking hope away from you opponent.

Sun tsu... in the end, responsibility always falls to the General.

Ironically in the Green Bay Packer culture and after this last disappointing playoff loss '; and ' after the dust settles ' this:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11...en-bay-packers

Packer Nation gets Mike McCarthy for 'likely' another four seasons.

Mike McCarthy gets to pound his chest for more NFCN Titles. Has some fun losing in the playoffs.

Rah ! Rah !! Rah !!! All is good.

[wist43]

Ironically in the Green Bay Packer culture and after this last disappointing playoff loss '; and ' after the dust settles ' this:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11...en-bay-packers

Packer Nation gets Mike McCarthy for 'likely' another four seasons.

Mike McCarthy gets to pound his chest for more NFCN Titles. Has some fun losing in the playoffs.

Rah ! Rah !! Rah !!! All is good.

I don't want to fire MM, I keep hoping he'll the lesson... but to date, he hasn't.

I do want to fire dunderdummy of course... he is utterly hopeless. That 3rd and 21?? I knew it was coming, b/c I know dunderdummy - he'll do that every stinking time. It's a fine way to let a team off the hook, give them hope, and get you beat.

[pbmax]

Yes, McCarthy is a choker - he's proven that more times than not. He's proven exactly 1 time that he could get it done, he's failed every other time.

Technically, that would be 3 games, so 3 times in 2010 if we are just counting playoffs and not season end clinching victories in the Division.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Offsides is NOT reviewable.

[pbmax]

Its almost as if something beside injury and talent stands in the way of an offensive player excelling in a given football game. If only we could put our finger on it.

[mraynrand]

Its almost as if something beside injury and talent stands in the way of an offensive player excelling in a given football game. If only we could put our finger on it.

one possibility:

[denverYooper]

Yes, let's get rid of Rodgers. He's nothing but a problem. And with the money we'd save we could buy a real gamechanger like Rex Grossman.

[yetisnowman]

Yes, let's get rid of Rodgers. He's nothing but a problem. And with the money we'd save we could buy a real gamechanger like Rex Grossman.

No one said that. I'm noticing a ton of guys on this board that blindly apologize for the dude when he doesn't step up in clutch situations. I'll say it again, if he has an average game Sunday we are comfortably cruising to the super bowl. Truth hurts. If you didnt see An offense that couldn't get out of its own way Sunday, I don't know what to tell you.

[Noodle]

No one said that. I'm noticing a ton of guys on this board that blindly apologize for the dude when he doesn't step up in clutch situations. I'll say it again, if he has an average game Sunday we are comfortably cruising to the super bowl. Truth hurts. If you didnt see An offense that couldn't get out of its own way Sunday, I don't know what to tell you.

There's something to this. For example, why do we assume the pick on the throw to Cobb was Cobb's fault; maybe it was A-Rod who misread the coverage or threw the wrong route.

A lot of us did this with Favre -- no pick was his fault, it was usually the receiver's fault for running the wrong route or not selling out to make the catch. Until he went to the Jets/Vikes.

Playing QB in that stadium must suck balls, but there's no way an objective fan (oxymoron, I know) can say that A-Rod had a good game Sunday.

[mraynrand]

There's something to this. For example, why do we assume the pick on the throw to Cobb was Cobb's fault; maybe it was A-Rod who misread the coverage or threw the wrong route.

A lot of us did this with Favre -- no pick was his fault, it was usually the receiver's fault for running the wrong route or not selling out to make the catch. Until he went to the Jets/Vikes.

Playing QB in that stadium must suck balls, but there's no way an objective fan (oxymoron, I know) can say that A-Rod had a good game Sunday.

Cobb admitted it was his fault and was summarily flogged

[Pugger]

There's something to this. For example, why do we assume the pick on the throw to Cobb was Cobb's fault; maybe it was A-Rod who misread the coverage or threw the wrong route.

A lot of us did this with Favre -- no pick was his fault, it was usually the receiver's fault for running the wrong route or not selling out to make the catch. Until he went to the Jets/Vikes.

Playing QB in that stadium must suck balls, but there's no way an objective fan (oxymoron, I know) can say that A-Rod had a good game Sunday.

I thought I heard Cobb later admitted he ran the wrong route on that INT? The first pick was Aaron's fault because he threw it late. Unfortunately the zebras didn't notice Bennett was offsides on the play and why Rodgers threw it in the first place. Rodgers isn't infallible but I'm not going to throw him under the bus. I suspect had he been 100% our offense doesn't sputter.

[mraynrand]

I thought I heard Cobb later admitted he ran the wrong route on that INT?

I think that's right. But Rodgers also missed Cobb later, for what might have broken into a long gain or TD. Too bad. Rodgers did not have great game, and some of it was his fault. How much of that was due to injury is unknowable.

[Bossman641]

I'm not even sure what the argument is here. Nobody has claimed Rodgers had a good game. I'd say most every agreed he had a below average to average game. On the list of problem areas going forward, he is probably at the bottom of the list though.

[mraynrand]

I'm not even sure what the argument is here. Nobody has claimed Rodgers had a good game. I'd say most every agreed he had a below average to average game. On the list of problem areas going forward, he is probably at the bottom of the list though.

the argument is whether the results from the QB position were due to intrinsic bad play by Rodgers (bad preparation, nerves, too much Olivia, etc.) or whether they were due to defense and injury. I say the latter were far more significant, and I offer the performance of other great QBs against Seattle over the past two years as my evidence.

[woodbuck27]

It was so much like the fight game. I mean the way it seemed watching this stranger than just weird game.

I couldn't be but it sure looked like this:

Just before game time Aaron Rodgers was informed:

"Sorry Aaron but the word just came down from above...and we're throwing this one.

They want Seattle in to try to repeat Vs New England." Fiction

[Pugger]

The reason why I'm giving AR a pass on this last game is he wasn't 100%. His mobility and throwing on the run is a big part of his game and what makes him the most dangerous QB in the league to defend. But he couldn't do any of that since the Tampa game. If Rodgers was his normal self on Sunday we win that game and are preparing for NE in the desert.

[woodbuck27]

The reason why I'm giving AR a pass on this last game is he wasn't 100%. His mobility and throwing on the run is a big part of his game and what makes him the most dangerous QB in the league to defend. But he couldn't do any of that since the Tampa game. If Rodgers was his normal self on Sunday we win that game and are preparing for NE in the desert.

Was what we saw in Aaron Rodgers play Vs Dallas an illusion? No ... Aaron Rodgers was outstanding Vs Dallas.

As fans we should have expected more from the NFL MVP vs Seattle. Is that trophy tarnished with that Seattle defeat? Did his poor play emphasize just how valuable decent play is for any chance of a Green Bay Packer win?

Suddenly it's the calf injury as an excuse. Some want to make it about conditions such as wind.

I saw a QB that didn't have enough 'FIRE" in him to ensure he was all there to get the job done.

Is this where his legacy will be defined? A QB that simply can't do it in the clutch. Wasn't that a criticism of Brett Favre!? Will the same stand as a description of Aaron Rodgers?

A deemed 'Greatest QB in NFL History'... That QB didn't exist in Seattle; until his last efforts in regulation to get in position for the game tieing FG he seemed far too casual to me.

Aaron Rodgers was a big reason for the worst 2nd half flop for any NFC team in history.

** He can blame officiating on his first pick but he threw that pick.

** Aaron Rodgers may be clearly justified in any annoyance in terms of play calling. Aaron Rodgers is stuck with Mike McCarthy.

[mraynrand]

Aaron Rodgers was outstanding Vs Dallas.

not really. He had a couple of stretches of pretty good play, with some ragged play in the middle.