ARE WE GIVING AROD A FREE PASS ??????????????????

[Maxie the Taxi]

Saying decision making by the QB is poor is just the same hindsight as questioning the play calling.

Cobb has said he made the wrong adjustment on his, so we can bypass the problem with Rodgers execution on that one.

I would love to learn how you are able to deduce a players "focus" level from watching on TV. Is it the same method as determining their "fire"?

It's easy to dismiss criticism as "hindsight." I would love to learn how one deduces that critical comments are motivated by "hindsight" rather than an honest difference of opinion on tactics or strategy.

[mraynrand]

It's easy to dismiss criticism as "hindsight." I would love to learn how one deduces that critical comments are motivated by "hindsight" rather than an honest difference of opinion on tactics or strategy.

so would I. Any ideas?

[woodbuck27]

It's easy to dismiss criticism as "hindsight." I would love to learn how one deduces that critical comments are motivated by "hindsight" rather than an honest difference of opinion on tactics or strategy.

Does this apply?

“When you are up to your ass in alligators, it’s easy to forget you came to drain the swamp.”

[pbmax]

It's easy to dismiss criticism as "hindsight." I would love to learn how one deduces that critical comments are motivated by "hindsight" rather than an honest difference of opinion on tactics or strategy.

That would depend entirely on the quality of the objection and the nature of how its applied.

In this case, there is an argument being made that Rodgers must ID the flag being thrown before taking such a risk with a deep ball. But since that is very unlikely to be possible (flags of offside or encroachment come from the sideline and can be delayed), such shot plays would disappear as would the benefits. And that cost is quite high, the Packers have made a living on them. It very much helps their pass pro.

So we have an error and the identified solution is to essentially never risk it again because of the one bad outcome. That is just hindsight telling you there was one worst case outcome. No analysis that demonstrates the effect of the one outcome on the balance of the advantage or leverage the play accrues to the offense over the course of the season.

[yetisnowman]

Saying decision making by the QB is poor is just the same hindsight as questioning the play calling.

Cobb has said he made the wrong adjustment on his, so we can bypass the problem with Rodgers execution on that one.

I would love to learn how you are able to deduce a players "focus" level from watching on TV. Is it the same method as determining their "fire"?

He was looking right at that group of players, you should watch some of the detailed replays...he didn't have to throw the ball just because Cobb ran the wrong break. I get that is is snap second timing, but he could have not thrown the ball. And the pick to Sherman was an awful decision. Throwing up a jumpball banking on Davante freaking Adams vs arguably the best corner in the game is stupid. Also on the last drive he throws a back shoulder to Richard Rodgers and a long sideline route to James Starks(low percentage plays), missing open Nelson and Adams underneath for first down yardage.

Basically what you are saying is you can't critique any of Aaron's performance form the NFC championship game. All of it was out of his hands. Accuracy, execution, and decision making are not his fault. It's silly. Really I expect Aaron to step up, and some of you come up with one excuse after another. First it was the calf, then the defense, now the calf , and the coaching, and the receivers, and his sandy vagina. HE COULDN'T OUTPLAY A QB HAVING A CAREER WORST DAY HANDING HIM A TRIP TO THE SUPER BOWL! He wet the bed. Sorry.

You have an agenda, and that is the coaching is bad and that's what needs to change. Therefore removing any accountability from the qb is absolutely necessary.

[mraynrand]

You have an agenda, and that is the coaching is bad and that's what needs to change. Therefore removing any accountability from the qb is absolutely necessary.

I love that you've left room for compromise

[pbmax]

He was looking right at that group of players, you should watch some of the detailed replays...he didn't have to throw the ball just because Cobb ran the wrong break. I get that is is snap second timing, but he could have not thrown the ball. And the pick to Sherman was an awful decision. Throwing up a jumpball banking on Davante freaking Adams vs arguably the best corner in the game is stupid. Also on the last drive he throws a back shoulder to Richard Rodgers and a long sideline route to James Starks(low percentage plays), missing open Nelson and Adams underneath for first down yardage.

Basically what you are saying is you can't critique any of Aaron's performance form the NFC championship game. All of it was out of his hands. Accuracy, execution, and decision making are not his fault. It's silly. Really I expect Aaron to step up, and some of you come up with one excuse after another. First it was the calf, then the defense, now the calf , and the coaching, and the receivers, and his sandy vagina. HE COULDN'T OUTPLAY A QB HAVING A CAREER WORST DAY HANDING HIM A TRIP TO THE SUPER BOWL! He wet the bed. Sorry.

You have an agenda, and that is the coaching is bad and that's what needs to change. Therefore removing any accountability from the qb is absolutely necessary.

If a player doesn't do what is expected, then looking at him while throwing doesn't help. See the pass late to Lacy. Same with any back shoulder throw. Most pro passes are thrown before the break.

I don't pretend Rodgers played particularly well. Its a dangerous and tough secondary and he was clearly limited by injury. As Patler has noted, it has been affecting his accuracy since it happened. He was good enough to get into FG range, but not good enough to push it into the end zone. He also missed Cobb on a slant that, if not for stumbling trying to reach low to catch it, would have been a first down rather than short by a yard, resulting in a punt earlier in the game (never saw if he just missed or had to throw around an obstruction).

But I have no agenda on Rodgers. If you travel back in time one full year, I was one of the few harping on the offense's inability to deal with the San Fran defense in their playoff game and not just criticizing Bush for a bad blitz decision or Hyde's poorly timed jump for a possible INT.

I do think the coaches have some share of blame in this game. I would hold Rodgers to a higher standard (and blame him more) if he was healthy and played like this. But its very difficult to grade an injured QB except to say it wasn't good enough.

[woodbuck27]

We have members here that actually or seem to me to believe that Aaron Rodgers is the 'GREATEST NFL QB Ever !

Is there any accounting for such delusion?

Greatness isn't a label you attach to a QB:

a) Who has in 11 play off games A 6-5 RECORD.

b) Take away the 2010-11 season has a 2 W - 4 L play off record.

[mraynrand]

We have members here that actually or seem to me to believe that Aaron Rodgers is the 'GREATEST NFL QB Ever !

Is there any accounting for such delusion?

Greatness isn't a label you attach to a QB:

a) Who has in 11 play off games A 6-5 RECORD.

b) Take away the 2010-11 season has a 2 W - 4 L record.

Ya, he's pretty good.

Why would you take away the 2010 season - unless you are deliberately trying to make him look worse? LOL funny stuff, woody. Here's an idea - take away all Rodger's TD passes and then ask - what has he really done? Not much, man. What a loser! No TDs! And some people are trying to say he's the greatest guy since Jesus! At least Earl Thomas likes him, even if stalwart Packer fans like Woody have abandoned him!

[ThunderDan]

We have members here that actually or seem to me to believe that Aaron Rodgers is the 'GREATEST NFL QB Ever !

Is there any accounting for such delusion?

Greatness isn't a label you attach to a QB:

a) Who has in 11 play off games A 6-5 RECORD.

b) Take away the 2010-11 season has a 2 W - 4 L record.

Good-bye Marino. We hardly knew you.

[mraynrand]

Good-bye Marino. We hardly knew you.

usually the conversation goes from irrational to rational the further you get from the game, but with Woody, it can be a crap shoot

[mraynrand]

If you take away all of Clay Matthews' sacks and pressures, he's a pretty average linebacker

[mraynrand]

If you take away all of Eddie Lacy's runs over 10 yards, he's not very productive.

[ThunderDan]

Wow, just looking up Marino's numbers.

He put over 5,000 yards in 1984 with 48 TDs. Then he went for 4,000+ the next two seasons.

[woodbuck27]

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/ar..._head_18182558

Rodgers Correlation: Feroscious Front Four Debunked.

By: Thomas Hobbs

Comment woodbuck27;

Does Aaron Rodgers have a particular weakness vs certain defenses? This article endeavours to answer certain questions in regards of how a team might get and edge over Aaron Rodgers skills.

ie ... Is he weaker Vs strong Defensive Lines or the Cover-2 defense as that question came up in 2013?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Nope. The only way to know a person's motivations is to be that person. And even then the knowledge is not 100% reliable.

[woodbuck27]

" You have an agenda, and that is the coaching is bad and that's what needs to change. Therefore removing any accountability from the qb is absolutely necessary. " yetisnowman

No ....don't be fooled yetisnowman.

Your correct in terms of their defense of anything anti Aaron Rodgers. You'd think their all 'mothers for their son'.

If you post anything -ve on Mike McCarthy your favorite beer pub quickly turns to cool aid on tap.

The claws and fangs really come out. You'd better have your armor on or have a normal sense of humor.

[mraynrand]

" You have an agenda, and that is the coaching is bad and that's what needs to change. Therefore removing any accountability from the qb is absolutely necessary. " yetisnowman

No ....don't be fooled yetisnowman.

Your correct in terms of their defense of anything anti Aaron Rodgers. You'd think their all 'mothers for their son'.

If you post anything -ve on Mike McCarthy your favorite beer pub quickly turns to cool aid on tap.

The claws and fangs really come out. You'd better have your armor on or have a normal sense of humor.

Woody, you know this is incorrect. Plenty of criticism to go around.

[th87]

I don't think it's a fair assessment to throw our hands up and attribute Rodgers' struggles against Seattle as "oh he was injured and facing a good team." Too high level.

We saw what we saw, and it was uncharacteristic sloppiness from him. On the first interception, Rodgers customarily confirms whether the offsides flag was actually thrown before he takes the shot deep. In this particular instance, he did not. I don't know what happened on the second one, but I hadn't seen such bad communication throughout the season. It was a bad time for it to show up then. It seems weird that a player could be so stellar with avoiding interceptions throughout the season, and then make two really bad unforced errors (unless it was only on Cobb). There were also other unforced misses - the big one to Cobb over the middle and the short throw also to Cobb that prevented the first down.

I pretty much have no way to prove this, but I do think that Rodgers can start to play tight in the playoffs if things aren't going his way (sometimes he breaks out of it though once he gets into rhythm). In the regular season, I see an easy-going and relaxed player, but in the playoffs, I see him yell at himself more and look skyward. Tightening up can cause him to miss passes he normally makes routinely.

This is obviously not to say that he isn't the best player in the NFL - he is. There is nobody I'd rather have at QB probably ever.

[pbmax]

On the first interception, Rodgers customarily confirms whether the offsides flag was actually thrown before he takes the shot deep.

Please provide some evidence of this.