ARE WE GIVING AROD A FREE PASS ??????????????????

[th87]

Please provide some evidence of this.

In past cases, it has been evident (to me) that he knows the flag has been thrown. Offsides flags would ordinarily be visible to the quarterback.

[pbmax]

In past cases, it has been evident (to me) that he knows the flag has been thrown. Offsides flags would ordinarily be visible to the quarterback.

OK, what was evident?

Flags are thrown from the sidelines on the LOS yard marker. They can often be delayed. The only time Rodgers does't throw is if the Ref or Ump blow the play dead (unabated to QB or similar). How does this square with he knows the flag has been thrown?

[yetisnowman]

Please provide some evidence of this.

Jesus, it is the quarterback's responsibility to see the flag and be sure it is a penalty before just chucking up a ball that is likely to be picked. In your eyes is the quarterback responsible for anything in a football game?

[pbmax]

Jesus, it is the quarterback's responsibility to see the flag and be sure it is a penalty before just chucking up a ball that is likely to be picked. In your eyes is the quarterback responsible for anything in a football game?

Please cite your source. Rodgers avoids INTs at a historic rate. What logic or evidence is there that this rule exists anywhere other than your imagination?

[yetisnowman]

Please cite your source. Rodgers avoids INTs at a historic rate. What logic or evidence is there that this rule exists anywhere other than your imagination?

Yes he does avoid interceptions at an historic rate, his interception rate would be worse if he just chucked up prayers assuming there were defensive penalties. Do you watch NFL games? Why would you ever assume a penalty in the NFL seriously? I don't need a source, there are no sources on something that obscure and obvious. It's logic. Do you have source stating that its not the qb's responsibility to be sure its a penalty? So let me get this straight, if an NFL qb THINKS there should be a defensive penalty, he should finish the play as though there is one, and is therefore absolved of any responsibility for the outcome of that play?

[woodbuck27]

On the first pick (Richard Sherman) Aaron Rodgers made a bad pass inside and to coverage. That ball was going to be a pick if the play was live.

As viewers we know when the QB has a 'Free Pass' because we see the penalty and/or flag and the announcer/color guy informs us of that 'Free Play'.

There is this:

http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...game/22173121/


16 plays that cost Packers in NFC title game

Ryan Wood, Press-Gazette Media 10:48 p.m. EST January 22, 2015

" Situation 1: Third-and-10, GB ball on SEA 29, 11 minutes, 23 seconds left in first quarter.

Play: Seattle's Richard Sherman intercepts Rodgers' pass intended for Davante Adams in the end zone. It was a curious decision from Rodgers, throwing a jump ball across the field against the NFL's top cornerback. Rodgers later said he thought Seattle defensive end Michael Bennett was offsides, something the film confirms.

Potential impact: The Packers were in field goal range, so at least three points. "

[denverYooper]

The NFL gave Rodgers a Free Pass.

2 time NFL MVP as of tonight.

[woodbuck27]

The NFL gave Rodgers a Free Pass.

2 time NFL MVP as of tonight.

I'm watching the show right now.

What time zone are you on?

[denverYooper]

I'm watching the show right now.

What time zone are you on?

The future.

[woodbuck27]

The future.

I just discovered that NFL.Com scooped the award ceremony.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ist-of-winners

[Patler]

If the QB waited to be certain of everything he thinks he sees, he would be sacked on every play. He assumes people will do their jobs. He assumes his own receivers will make the adjustments he expects, make the breaks he expects and at the depths he expects. He throws accordingly. If the receivers do not do as he expects, the result is often an interception.

When he sees what to him is an obvious offside, he expects the officials will also do their jobs. I seriously doubt that every time he has had a free play he has confirmed it by actually seeing the flag. He sees the offside/encroachment, and makes certain assumptions based on it.

Besides, the throw that was intercepted was not THAT bad. Sherman also made a very good play on the ball. It was not a good throw for sure, mostly because it was late but also because it was off target, just as many of AR's throws have been since the calf injury. I'm not blaming Adams, but on the other hand he also could have made a better effort at preventing an interception. I think he was surprised at how quickly Sherman adjusted to the less than perfect throw.

[yetisnowman]

If the QB waited to be certain of everything he thinks he sees, he would be sacked on every play. He assumes people will do their jobs. He assumes his own receivers will make the adjustments he expects, make the breaks he expects and at the depths he expects. He throws accordingly. If the receivers do not do as he expects, the result is often an interception.

When he sees what to him is an obvious offside, he expects the officials will also do their jobs. I seriously doubt that every time he has had a free play he has confirmed it by actually seeing the flag. He sees the offside/encroachment, and makes certain assumptions based on it.

Besides, the throw that was intercepted was not THAT bad. Sherman also made a very good play on the ball. It was not a good throw for sure, mostly because it was late but also because it was off target, just as many of AR's throws have been since the calf injury. I'm not blaming Adams, but on the other hand he also could have made a better effort at preventing an interception. I think he was surprised at how quickly Sherman adjusted to the less than perfect throw.

Well maybe we should write Aaron a letter and ask, I don't know. It's hard for me to imagine, given how inconsistent and downright terrible NFL refs can be, that Aaron has assumed correctly every single other time. But maybe you are right. I would argue given the officiating in the NFL, you shouldn't take that risk on an assumption, especially in a playoff game in a stadium where officiating hasn't been our best friend.
And yes the throw was that bad. Late+Off target towards the defender+against best corner in football=bad bad bad throw. Of course he made a great play on the ball, those plays are automatic for him. If Aaron or Adams were not expecting Sherman to make great breaks on thrown balls, then that is a whole other level of incompetence we haven't touched on.

[woodbuck27]

" Sorry if I rub you the wrong way, I have just been dealing with this argument for years. " yetisnowman

Your on Packerrats now.

It's like your trying to feed these guys a steady diet of castor oil.

[Patler]

Well maybe we should write Aaron a letter and ask, I don't know. It's hard for me to imagine, given how inconsistent and downright terrible NFL refs can be, that Aaron has assumed correctly every single other time. But maybe you are right. I would argue given the officiating in the NFL, you shouldn't take that risk on an assumption, especially in a playoff game in a stadium where officiating hasn't been our best friend.
And yes the throw was that bad. Late+Off target towards the defender+against best corner in football=bad bad bad throw. Of course he made a great play on the ball, those plays are automatic for him. If Aaron or Adams were not expecting Sherman to make great breaks on thrown balls, then that is a whole other level of incompetence we haven't touched on.

I don't know, but it seems to me that offside/encroachment is not a penalty that is missed very often; so yes, I think making assumptions based on it is not extraordinary at all. Besides, you have no idea whether or not he has assumed correctly every other time as you state. He may have assumed incorrectly other times and completed the passes, or he might have thrown simple incompletions. If this had been either of those, complete or incomplete, we wouldn't be talking about it, and wouldn't even know that he thought there was an offside.

You seem to be describing this as an unusually bad throw by AR, yet you seem to also want to minimize the effect his calf injury might have had on it. If it truly was an unusually bad throw, wouldn't you think that unusual conditions (his injury) might be a significant factor?

[yetisnowman]

I don't know, but it seems to me that offside/encroachment is not a penalty that is missed very often; so yes, I think making assumptions based on it is not extraordinary at all. Besides, you have no idea whether or not he has assumed correctly every other time as you state. He may have assumed incorrectly other times and completed the passes, or he might have thrown simple incompletions. If this had been either of those, complete or incomplete, we wouldn't be talking about it, and wouldn't even know that he thought there was an offside.

You seem to be describing this as an unusually bad throw by AR, yet you seem to also want to minimize the effect his calf injury might have had on it. If it truly was an unusually bad throw, wouldn't you think that unusual conditions (his injury) might be a significant factor?

Well you are right, I can't be sure. I just don't recall any plays in which Aaron treated them as a free play, when there was no penalty. Regardless of the outcome. This is the first time I remember that happening. And I watch a lot of Packers games.

I think the calf affected his mobility and footwork, sure but I do not believe it has that drastic of an effect on his accuracy. He was more accurate and efficient vs Dallas and Detroit and did not make the crucial mistake, in spite of his injury. Yes I know Seattle's defense is tough, but I still watched the game and saw errant throws to OPEN receivers, mis reads, and poor decisions that didn't appear to be affected by a pass rush or suffocating coverage.

What I saw was Aaron playing a crappier version of his typical playoff game, which sadly enough isn't good enough to beat good teams.

[pbmax]

What I saw was Aaron playing a crappier version of his typical playoff game, which sadly enough isn't good enough to beat good teams.

It usually is:

                                                           Pass Pass  Pass Pass Pass Pass  Pass Pass  Pass
Rk                      From   To  Lg  Tm  G  W  L T  W-L%  Cmp  Att  Cmp%  Yds   TD  Int  Rate  Y/A  AY/A
1        Jeff Hostetler 1989 1993     TOT  6  4  2 0 0.667   72  115 62.61 1034    7    0 112.0 8.99 10.21
2            Alex Smith 2011 2013 NFL TOT  3  1  2 0 0.333   66  114 57.89  873    9    0 108.6 7.66  9.24
3           Kurt Warner 1999 2009 NFL TOT 13  9  4 0 0.692  307  462 66.45 3952   31   14 102.8 8.55  8.53
4         Aaron Rodgers 2007 2014 NFL GNB 12  7  5 0 0.583  253  387 65.37 2983   23    7 101.0 7.71  8.08
5            Drew Brees 2004 2013 NFL TOT 11  6  5 0 0.545  306  464 65.95 3539   24    6 100.7 7.63  8.08
6           Erik Kramer 1991 1994 NFL TOT  4  1  3 0 0.250   91  130 70.00  999    6    3  98.2 7.68  7.57
7           Frank Reich 1990 1997     TOT 14  9  5 0 0.643   67  104 64.42  783    7    3  97.6 7.53  7.58
8        Russell Wilson 2012 2014 NFL SEA  7  6  1 0 0.857  111  181 61.33 1573   10    5  96.3 8.69  8.55
9          Joe Montana* 1981 1994 NFL TOT 23 16  7 0 0.696  460  734 62.67 5772   45   21  95.6 7.86  7.80
10         Mark Sanchez 2009 2010 NFL NYJ  6  4  2 0 0.667   95  157 60.51 1155    9    3  94.3 7.36  7.64
11          Jeff George 1995 1999 NFL TOT  3  1  2 0 0.333   71  129 55.04 1001    9    3  93.8 7.76  8.11
12         Ken Anderson 1973 1982 NFL CIN  6  2  4 0 0.333  110  166 66.27 1321    9    6  93.5 7.96  7.42

[woodbuck27]

Patler right now your Muhammad Ali. He's Joe Frazier.

This is 'The FIGHT'.

This isn't Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier II or your 'Thrilla in Manila'.

[pbmax]

If his best throw was an incompletion, then I would say he was perhaps affected by the injury and the Defense wasn't helping.

[woodbuck27]

Right now...... We've got an exciting Super Bowl game between the two best teams in the NFL.

Maybe? we'll get more from Aaron Rodgers next season and be there.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rodgers played well enough against that defense in that stadium. Even led them back at the end of the game to send it to OT. Again, the refs blew the first interception. He thought he had and should have had a free play. Basically, Brady is following the same blueprint that Rodgers. With similar results. Much better than Peyton's results last year. It's a tough defense.