Official Randall Cobb FA Thread

[Patler]

... The fact that Cobb has OPENLY STATED he is agreeable to a fair contract value, and yet is not signed, should be concerning to you if you believe Cobb should be resigned. Cobb isn't asking for the moon...so it stands to reason that Thompson is being stingy or just doesn't really want to put more money into the receiver position.

If the following is true, does it change your opinion at all about whether Cobb was being fair, Cobb is asking for the moon, or Thompson is being stingy?

The Packers may have set a ceiling of $10 million per year with Cobb since that is what veteran Jordy Nelson receives and they probably don't want to pay him more. Cobb appears to have a higher number than that. One source said the word going around at the NFL combine league personnel staff and executives was that his price was $12 million per year.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/294719831.html

[red]

If the following is true, does it change your opinion at all about whether Cobb was being fair, Cobb is asking for the moon, or Thompson is being stingy?

then thats goodbye cobb, and hello 2016 3rd round comp pick

that would be a hell of a deal for him compared to what jennings (who was better at the time he became a free agent compared to what cobb is now IMO), got

[Patler]

then thats goodbye cobb, and hello 2016 3rd round comp pick

that would be a hell of a deal for him compared to what jennings (who was better at the time he became a free agent compared to what cobb is now IMO), got

Ya, I can't see the Packers approaching that type of deal for Cobb either; but I didn't think they would pay Shields what they did. We will know soon enough.

[King Friday]

then thats goodbye cobb, and hello 2016 3rd round comp pick

that would be a hell of a deal for him compared to what jennings (who was better at the time he became a free agent compared to what cobb is now IMO), got

When will you guys figure out that the cap is going up 25% over the next couple years? Lots of guys are going to make CRAZY MONEY in the next 2 offseasons. Deals signed 2-3 years ago can't be compared apples-to-apples to ones signed this or next offseason.

Jennings got $9M a year and $18M guaranteed...that's more like $11M and $22.5M in the current environment. Jennings was also a 29 year old player. Cobb is considerably younger...and earns a premium as a result.

[pbmax]

When will you guys figure out that the cap is going up 25% over the next couple years? Lots of guys are going to make CRAZY MONEY in the next 2 offseasons. Deals signed 2-3 years ago can't be compared apples-to-apples to ones signed this or next offseason.

Jennings got $9M a year and $18M guaranteed...that's more like $11M and $22.5M in the current environment. Jennings was also a 29 year old player. Cobb is considerably younger...and earns a premium as a result.

Jennings was a #1 WR. Cobb is not.

Best slot contract right now (not two or three years ago) is just over $7 million per.

The cap has gone up just over 16% in the last two years (no one can calculate the next two caps). Even if you think Cobb is Jennings, that is $10.44 mil per year, not $12. Jordy is under $10 mil right now.

[pbmax]

Is Cobb as good a WR as Shields is at CB?

I think Shields is better, though Cobb might have topped his production this year.

[King Friday]

If the following is true, does it change your opinion at all about whether Cobb was being fair, Cobb is asking for the moon, or Thompson is being stingy?

Patler, there isn't nearly enough here to prove ANYTHING. If he's talking to other teams, OF COURSE he will be asking for the moon. They will need to offer the moon to take a WR away from a title contender with a HOF caliber QB.

I'm sure Green Bay could keep him for less than $12M a year. That isn't the question. The question is how much is Thompson willing to pay...and my guess is not much more than $8M.

If other teams are offering $12M and Thompson is offering $8M+...then Cobb is gone. He ain't taking that much of a haircut to stay in Green Bay.

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Patler, there isn't nearly enough here to prove ANYTHING. If he's talking to other teams, OF COURSE he will be asking for the moon. They will need to offer the moon to take a WR away from a title contender with a HOF caliber QB.

I'm sure Green Bay could keep him for less than $12M a year. That isn't the question. The question is how much is Thompson willing to pay...and my guess is not much more than $8M.

If other teams are offering $12M and Thompson is offering $8M+...then Cobb is gone. He ain't taking that much of a haircut to stay in Green Bay.

when are you guys going to realize that people like you have been saying for years that "the cap just jumped (this much) so we should expect "x players" salary to go up "this much". yet it never does

all it means is that the top 1 or 2 guys from each team are gonna make a lot more and teams will continue to roll over record sums every year

and just because 12 million might be the new 9 million, doesn't mean we should invest that much money in a position made by the QB

is it just pure luck that every WR we've drafted since a-rod has been starter has turned in to something special, or at least not a bust?

and i call BS on the premium for being younger. jennings was still well in his prime when he got paid, with plenty of good years left. a team giving jennings a 4 or 5 year deal at 29 is gonna expect the same kind of production as they would cobb to get over the next 4 or 5 years at 24.

its not like jennings was 33 and could hit the wall any year now

[Patler]

I'm fairly certain Cobb would prefer to stay in Green Bay if the money is comparable...but it is starting to appear that Thompson isn't willing to pay a comparable amount at this point...

If Thompson believed that, the deal would be done by now. The fact that Cobb has OPENLY STATED he is agreeable to a fair contract value, and yet is not signed, should be concerning to you if you believe Cobb should be resigned. Cobb isn't asking for the moon...so it stands to reason that Thompson is being stingy or just doesn't really want to put more money into the receiver position.

Patler, there isn't nearly enough here to prove ANYTHING. If he's talking to other teams, OF COURSE he will be asking for the moon. They will need to offer the moon to take a WR away from a title contender with a HOF caliber QB.

I'm sure Green Bay could keep him for less than $12M a year. That isn't the question. The question is how much is Thompson willing to pay...and my guess is not much more than $8M.

If other teams are offering $12M and Thompson is offering $8M+...then Cobb is gone. He ain't taking that much of a haircut to stay in Green Bay.

Funny how in your earlier posts you found Cobb to be reasonable and TT unreasonable from the reports, rumors and statements. Now, when a report shows Cobb in a less favorable light, you argue that the reports are not to be believed. Of course, that has been my point all along. Both sides are posturing.

[King Friday]

Funny how in your earlier posts you found Cobb to be reasonable and TT unreasonable from the reports, rumors and statements. Now, when a report shows Cobb in a less favorable light, you argue that the reports are not to be believed. Of course, that has been my point all along. Both sides are posturing.

I do not recall saying Thompson was unreasonable. I did not say reports are not to be believed. Do you actually read my posts?

I said Thompson may be stingy or unwilling to pay what a fair market price (for Green Bay) is for Cobb, which I noted as $9M a year. My opinion is that Cobb is being reasonable in his demands of Green Bay. I think Cobb would rather stay in Green Bay if the gap in pay wasn't significant to go elsewhere. I can't prove that...nor can anyone here prove the opposite at this time. We'll find out who is right after the fact.

I also did not mention that any recent report was erroneous. If anything, I said that the $12M number probably would be what Cobb was asking of a limp dick franchise like Oakland or Jacksonville. I doubt he would leave Green Bay to go somewhere like that for an extra million a year. For all any of us know, the $12M was a leak from the Raiders hoping to get Cobb to free agency.

You are right, EVERYONE is posturing. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on the posturing.

[Teamcheez1]

I know everybody references $9M as a reasonable payment. Howe do we know that is the real number? What if Cobb is asking for $11 or $12M?

I think we are jumping to conclusions on where the negotiations really are right now. Cobb has no incentive to sign anything until free agency begins.

[pbmax]

I know everybody references $9M as a reasonable payment. Howe do we know that is the real number? What if Cobb is asking for $11 or $12M?

I think we are jumping to conclusions on where the negotiations really are right now. Cobb has no incentive to sign anything until free agency begins.

$9 mil per might not be reasonable if you consider him a slot guy only. That would be above market. Even above what many in this thread agitated for Ted to sign him for initially.

However, $9 mil per might be his asking price. That has been reported, though of course we don't know how close to accurate that is.

[mission]

Remember salary context is waaaaaaaaaaaaay different now. 9m is 7m two years ago. We're still viewing contracts through those glasses.

What's the point of draft and develop with no FA involvement if you're not going to keep your stars? What is this, the Bucks? Brewers? Come on. I don't care about 3 other WR draft picks... let's go 5 wide and open it up if they're good enough for that, but nothing indicates that except maybe Adams.

[pbmax]

Remember salary context is waaaaaaaaaaaaay different now. 9m is 7m two years ago. We're still viewing contracts through those glasses.

What's the point of draft and develop with no FA involvement if you're not going to keep your stars? What is this, the Bucks? Brewers? Come on. I don't care about 3 other WR draft picks... let's go 5 wide and open it up if they're good enough for that, but nothing indicates that except maybe Adams.

Fair point. Cap will have gone up $20+ mil in two years from just over $120 mil. That's a 17% jump. Would make a $7 mil per year deal then worth $8.2 mil now.

[smuggler]

I really doubt the disconnect is over the totals and averages. It's about the guaranteed money and the structuring.

[Joemailman]

What does proactive mean? Give Cobb whatever he wants? If Cobb wants to test the free agent market, he has that right. There isn't a thing TT can do about it.

[ThunderDan]

What does proactive mean? Give Cobb whatever he wants? If Cobb wants to test the free agent market, he has that right. There isn't a thing TT can do about it.

But if you don't like TT, it doesn't matter what happens it is always TT's fault for not getting it done.

We could tag Cobb in a worst case scenario.

[Tony Oday]

Tag and trade him.

[Patler]

Let's say Cobb is worth $9M/year, that doesn't automatically mean the Packers should give it to him. No team can afford to have top paid guys at every position. Without Nelson, they might be happy to pay that to Cobb. If both were FAs, I wonder which would be their priority?

Some sya slot receivers are not being paid that much, but Cobb is more than just a slot receiver. His versatility allowed MM to be more creative.

The next couple weeks will be interesting.

[pbmax]

Let's say Cobb is worth $9M/year, that doesn't automatically mean the Packers should give it to him. No team can afford to have top paid guys at every position. Without Nelson, they might be happy to pay that to Cobb. If both were FAs, I wonder which would be their priority?

Some sya slot receivers are not being paid that much, but Cobb is more than just a slot receiver. His versatility allowed MM to be more creative.

The next couple weeks will be interesting.

Some of that creativity is because Cobb doesn't escape press man coverage well. In the backfield, he is more likely to get a linebacker. He isn't in the backfield to run, though they do need to run him on occasion to keep the defense honest with that linebacker.

He is an odd slot receiver. He is better at getting open after the play has broken down. The Packers would certainly miss him, but I am not convinced he is worth Nelson money. That would be a signing down out of lack of depth. Someone mentioned the last three draft picks need to pay off, but while Adams would seem ready to step in, Abbredaris, Boykin and Janis are uncertainties.