CURSED IN WISCONSIN AS PACKER...and BADGER FANS......IS IT REAL ??.CONSIDER

[gbgary]

i don't feel cursed as a Packers fan. actually i think blessed is more like it. 2 relatively recent championships, constant playoff appearances, hall of fame qbs, historic past, historic personnel, historic venue, the best fans, etc. etc. etc. the window is still wide open. there are 24 or so cursed teams...the Packers aren't one of them.

[Pugger]

i don't feel cursed as a Packers fan. actually i think blessed is more like it. 2 relatively recent championships, constant playoff appearances, hall of fame qbs, historic past, historic personnel, historic venue, the best fans, etc. etc. etc. the window is still wide open. there are 24 or so cursed teams...the Packers aren't one of them.

This. All day long.

[Bossman641]

i don't feel cursed as a Packers fan. actually i think blessed is more like it. 2 relatively recent championships, constant playoff appearances, hall of fame qbs, historic past, historic personnel, historic venue, the best fans, etc. etc. etc. the window is still wide open. there are 24 or so cursed teams...the Packers aren't one of them.

I agree but if Rodgers doesn't get at least 1 more SB win before he retires I will be disappointed somewhat.

[Patler]

I agree but if Rodgers doesn't get at least 1 more SB win before he retires I will be disappointed somewhat.

Yup, just as I was disappointed with the single SB win with Favre at the helm. There were a number of golden opportunities that the Packers let slip through their hands with Favre, and I feel there has been one or two with Rodgers just since 2010. (I can't really decide how much of an opportunity they had in 2011, in spite of their record.)

[Teamcheez1]

Looks like the Cryin' Ryan brigade is in full force. According to Bo (aka the Grinch) every foul by Wisco is questionable, and the other team commits crimes against humanity.

[Bretsky]

Always great to see the Anti WI Troll make an appearance and add nothing to some nice debate

[th87]

I really don't know why we even bother sometimes. Sports have looked inherently corrupt in the time I've been watching, starting with the Bucks getting straight boned in the 80s against the Celtics. There is a reason that the "marquee" teams (Duke, Lakers, Yankees) always seem to pull wins out of their asses. It's because when the game gets tight, the calls/non-calls become much more favorable for said marquee team. It's been most egregious with the Lakers - don't know if you remember the Portland series where the Lakers "came back" from 16 down. I've already mentioned the absurd Lakers-Kings series. So many times I've seen Duke on the ropes, and somehow, they make it happen. I'd say it's because of revenue, because if I'm an industry, why WOULDN'T I try to increase my revenue? And of course they'll get away with it, because how can you really prove there was malfeasance? You'll always have people defending the integrity of the sport, so no cover-up necessary.

A rabbit hole opened up when Tim Donaghy got caught, but no one went in. And of course David Stern managed to make that go away without any further investigation - Donaghy was considered a lone rogue.

Don't believe me - watch the comedy that will unfold when the Bucks play the Bulls on Saturday.

[mraynrand]

I really don't know why we even bother sometimes. Sports have looked inherently corrupt in the time I've been watching, starting with the Bucks getting straight boned in the 80s against the Celtics.

You mean like when they swept them in '83? F the Celtics. So they bought Dennis Johnson and the 76ers bought Moses Malone and won championships Bucks didn't do enough in the front office to win it all, but they were a blast to watch in the old Arena with the organ playing and the awesome crowds. Lanier, Moncrief, Johnson, Winters, Catchings, Cowens, Bridgeman. Loved that team. Great times.

[Bretsky]

I don't remember what year it was...but my college roommates mocked me for years as I recalled a game 7 versus the Celtics in Boston. Milwaukee had the ball with about 30 seconds left and a Bucks player drove into the lane and I perceived him to get hammered going up for a running shot. No foul was called. That was followed directly by a Celtic, I think Dennis Johnson, doing the same thing and drawing a chincy foul with seconds left in the game. Boston won and pretty sure they went on to play LA. I went into my back yard and threw the basketball off the backboard in anger. MY guess is that was around 32 years ago......I should really find out which game that was and watch the final minute to see if I perceive it the same.

I've never believed in the fix due to money but there is evidence out there.

[mraynrand]

I don't remember what year it was...but my college roommates mocked me for years as I recalled a game 7 versus the Celtics in Boston. Milwaukee had the ball with about 30 seconds left and a Bucks player drove into the lane and I perceived him to get hammered going up for a running shot. No foul was called. That was followed directly by a Celtic, I think Dennis Johnson, doing the same thing and drawing a chincy foul with seconds left in the game. Boston won and pretty sure they went on to play LA. I went into my back yard and threw the basketball off the backboard in anger. MY guess is that was around 32 years ago......I should really find out which game that was and watch the final minute to see if I perceive it the same.

I've never believed in the fix due to money but there is evidence out there.

I'm betting spring of '87. I remember the 'we believe' signs. Bucks came back from 3-1? deficit to force a game seven in Boston, and just couldn't get over the hump. Sikma was awesome with his three point set shots! Remember T. Cummings singing the National Anthem?

Remember Don Nelson throwing the chair in 122-121 loss in Philly?

Remember Nelson calling Ainge a cheap shot artist and Red Aurbach calling Nelson a whore?

Great times

[texaspackerbacker]

Bretsky, TH87, THANKS for telling it like it was and is! I've been saying stuff like this in person, in forums, etc. for years .... make that decades, and never before have I heard/read as straight forward and eloquent statements of truth on this topic from others.

[Bossman641]

Let's not forget Bucks-76ers in the EC finals in 2001

[mraynrand]

Let's not forget Bucks-76ers in the EC finals in 2001

lets forget

[HowardRoark]

The sky hook in game 6 of the 74 Finals in double overtime against Boston? I threw a basketball through the garage window that Sunday when they lost game 7.

[mraynrand]

The sky hook in game 6 of the 74 Finals in double overtime against Boston? I threw a basketball through the garage window that Sunday when they lost game 7.

I was 7 and don't remember that at all. I do remember having some guy threaten me and my friends with a shotgun when we were snooping around Lew Alcindor's old house off North Ave. (think it was around there).

[Pugger]

This past season Rodgers calf injury did us in IMO. It was remarkable how well he did on basically one leg.

[Joemailman]

This past season Rodgers calf injury did us in IMO. It was remarkable how well he did on basically one leg.

I see Rodgers' injury in somewhat the same light as the calls that seemed to go against Wisconsin. I will always believe the Packers would have beaten Seattle if Rodgers had been healthy. However, I don't blame the loss on that because the Packers were still in a position to win the game anyway. Same thing with the Badgers. Even with some calls that went against them, they were in a position to win the game. It was their own failings that led to the loss, same as with the Packers.

[Pugger]

I see Rodgers' injury in somewhat the same light as the calls that seemed to go against Wisconsin. I will always believe the Packers would have beaten Seattle if Rodgers had been healthy. However, I don't blame the loss on that because the Packers were still in a position to win the game anyway. Same thing with the Badgers. Even with some calls that went against them, they were in a position to win the game. It was their own failings that led to the loss, same as with the Packers.

If Rodgers was 100% I truly believe we would have scored TDs on half of those turnovers in the first half and not FGs and our lead could have been insurmountable for Seattle to overcome.

I do agree - had the Badgers not shot the ball so poorly against Duke they would have won that ball game too.

[esoxx]

Why so many disappointing playoff losses for our Green Bay Packers?
I realize that this is not life and death…it is a game. But starting to think we are whammied.

The NFC Championship Game was just another in a long line of disappointing playoff losses for the Packers. I count a total of eight games in the last 20 seasons. I understand that many NFL fans have not had the opportunity to witness even a handful of playoff games in that span, so I know we're fortunate as fans to see winning teams year after year. That does not change the fact that we have endured what I consider to be a disproportionate number of heartbreaking playoff losses.....key losses with some terrible circumstances to boot.

I decided to make a list of those games in this forum. I’m wondering what you think are the most disappointing losses, and why.

Here is my list, in chronological order:

1). 1995 Season: NFC Championship Game. Lost to the Dallas Cowboys 38-27. Packers had the ball and the lead in the fourth quarter. After a Favre interception, the Cowboys took control and never looked back. In retrospect the way GB lost was a foreshadowing of many gut wrenching heartbreakers with Favre at the helm

2). 1997 Season: Super Bowl. Lost to the Denver Broncos. Packers came in as almost 14-point favorites, struggled throughout, gave up a TD with under 2-minutes left and lost when Favre’s 4th down pass to Mark Chmura fell incomplete. The play of that game still might have been a terrible short pass on 3rd down before Denver took the lead for good.....receiver wide open....just a terrible short throw if I recall correctly.

3). 1998 Season: Wild Card Round. Lost to the 49ers on a T.D. pass from Steve Young to T.O. with just seconds remaining. The Pack took the lead on a Favre TD pass to Antonio Freeman with a few minutes left, and the 49ers marched down the field to score the game winner. Notable on the winning drive was the fumble by Jerry Rice that was missed by the officials. Shortly after was the pass that began to create the TO monster.

4). 2003 Season: Divisional Round. Lost in OT to the Eagles. 4th and 26. ‘Nuff said.

5). 2007 Season: NFC Championship Game. Lost in OT to the Giants at home. Pack wins the toss in OT and Favre throws an interception on the second play of OT. To magnify the disappointment, the end-zone view showed a receiving option (Levens) wide open and Favre threw the ball to Donald Driver, who was well-covered. Incidentally, that was Brett Favre’s last play in a Packer uniform.

6). 2009 Season. Wild Card Round. Lost in OT to the Arizona Cardinals on a strip sack that was returned for a TD. On the previous play, Greg Jennings was wide open and Rodgers overthrew an almost certain game-winning TD pass. On the game-ending play, Rodgers was hit in the helmet and also had his facemask grabbed. No penalty was called.

7). 2013 Season. Wild Card Round. Lost to the 49ers on a game-ending field goal as time expired. Packers played a very solid game, and defended the 49ers option read relatively well. On the game-winning drive, the Packers had a golden opportunity on an out route that was jumped by Micah Hyde. He had clear sailing to the end zone for a game-winning pick 6; he dropped it.

8). 2014 Season. NFC Championship Game. Lost to the Seahawks. We all witnessed this; no need for further commentary.

***********and let's not forget the FAIL MARY ***********regular season game

As Badger Fans we have recently witnessed

a successful Hail Mary vs Michigan State that was reviewed on replay and ended the game,
referees literally not allowing WI to snap the ball as time expired (of course they admitted air),

and in Basketball........when we had a chance to embrace our SHINING MOMENT......the one thing I've been asking for the past 25 years (A national title at UW Madison in either basketball or football before I die)...................

after I lean over and tell my daughters in the Dome At Indianapolis with just over 13 minutes left when we are up by 9 points......"in thirteen minutes we can be the national champions"

I witness the most epic meltdown in officiating I can recall in college basketball that included

1. A blatant charge by Winslow resulting in a foul on Dukon (-2points)
2. Winslow stepping on the out of bounce line and on that possession here comes a 3 (-3 pts)
3. An Obvious FLOP the refs fell for and called a charge on Dukon
4. A replay clearly showing the ball off Duke and they keep possession and hit a 3 (-3pts)
5. Another charge by Winslow against Hayes where nothing was called
6, Constant Duke No Calls on consistent bumping and hard reaching in calls....see the offensive possession where UW times out for a shot and Frank just tossed it at the hoop as an example.......
7 Not to mention in the 2nd half, after witnessing Coach K scream and yell at the refs at the end of the second half and halftime, they decided to plan there lips on his ass and change the way they officiated from half 1 to half2

Coupled with Decker not showing up, Bo making a couple terrible substitutions at the wrong time, and Jackson being completely lost in the second half.............

All of that together made the game unwinnable....................

It felt like the Seattle game............but the Referees were our Special Teams Unit..........




ARE WE CURSED ????? Have I missed anything ?

You forgot the hose job in the desert against Arizona State in football. Badgers are cursed.

[Pugger]

You forgot the hose job in the desert against Arizona State in football. Badgers are cursed.

Bretsky also forgot the home playoff losses to the Falcons and the Gmen in 2011/12.