QFT. They're terrible. Doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong here, of course.Originally Posted by HarveyWallbangers
Yeah, they took the best player on their board (at a premium position) instead of reaching in the secondary. If Bud Dupree were there at 30, I imagine Green Bay would have picked him, also.
What I've heard is that New England also had D. Randall rated above M. Brown on their board.
Bit of a rough game here.
http://gnb.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=9&c=...24&rc=4&pid=33
SCOUT RANK OVERALL 46
POSITION RANK 02
EVALUATION
Randall has the closing burst you look for in a speedy free safety. He plants and drives quickly and is at his best closing on the ball in front of him. He makes up ground when the ball is in the air and displays very quick feet. I would not consider him ideally fluid as a cornerback, but his coverage skills are better than average for the safety position.
Code:Pos Rnk Ratg Name Yr Ht/Wt/40 College Home S 1 5/5 Landon Collins JR 6-0/228/4.48 Alabama Geismar, LA S 2 4/5 Damar. Randall SR 5-11/196/4.46 Arizona State Pensacola, FL S 3 4/5 Jaquiski Tartt SR 6-1/223/4.53 Samford Mobile, AL S 4 4/5 James Sample JR 6-2/209/4.56 Louisville Sacramento, CA
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Thanks Vince. There goes my day.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Those write-ups, but especially Lindy's are envisioning him as a safety. 12 teams wanted him as a CB. This is similar to the kerfuffle over Collins. No one knew about the kid so the assumption is that no one in the NFL liked him much. His ranks only changed after people (including Manock and Kiper) got word late that he was the #1 or #2 safety on the board.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Oregon St.
#58 is so slow to react that he could have started for the Packers last year at ILB. But run fill from a deep position is not Demarious' strong suit either. That touchdown was #58's gap, but perhaps Randall should have stayed deeper rather than close.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
The O. state game is troubling because it is the most recent of the footage.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
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that was just ugly
i wouldn't have a problem with the kid if he was a third round pick, or maybe even a second, but we used our 1st on him. huge gamble IMO
It's just a shame they couldn't get House resigned. I understand the pick as you can't be shorthanded in the secondary with today's pass happy rules. But with Malcolm Brown sitting there it would have been nice to not feel compelled to pick a backend player.
Steelers' secondary is a mess, and they picked the pass rusher. Hmmm....
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
One thing is for sure, half of ths scouts and evaluators are out to lunch on this guy, because it seems half really like him and half are not impressed at all.
Some criticize his tackling, yet in 2014 he led the team with 106, and was the first DB to get 100 since 2003. So, at least he seems to be a willing tackler. That was evident also on the videos. That is the bigger part of the battle in making a DB a good tackler. Many don't want to tackle. If he wants to tackle, he can be taught to tackle. If he doesn't want to tackle, he will never be good at it.
From the combine video he looks solid, but on the field he is very noticeably small. It will be interesting to see him on the practice field with Hayward and Shields. House was the only answer the Packers had last year for a couple of the big receivers that went nuts against them. I can't see this guy filling that role at all.
Wist said he saw him ranked as a 5th round pick. I have not seen any that low, although old ones have him much lower than more recent ones. McGinn had him as a first round pick and the #2 overall safety. A couple write-ups said he was the best NFL prospect at safety, because of much better cover skills than other safeties.
The league seems to be moving toward more and more big CBs, to face the huge WRs that are taking over. GB seems to be going the opposite direction, with shorter and slighter CBs who can run and jump. It did not serve them well last year.
I think everyone agrees that he reacts quickly to the ball, and catches it very easily and naturally. Looks like he has huge hands, but those darned gloves they wear now sometime make it deceiving.
I don't know if I should think of him as a CB or S. I don't hate the pick, but I'm not excited by it either. I would be if they didn't have HHCD from last year.
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I think he's a corner with the versatility to play safety, and later he will. Kind of like Antrell Rolle. I don't hate or like the pick, but he wasn't a reach. Bob and Kiper had him going in the early 20's. Most had him going in the top 40--Lindy's and their two month old scouting reports notwithstanding. I think if people had been thinking of him as a CB, they'd like him a lot more. To me, he's similar prospect to Eric Rowe.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
In Mike Mayock's one and only mock, he had Randall going to SEATTLE at #20 pick.
Oops...maybe it was the EAGLES. Either way, it's #20 pick.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
McGinn had him at #20 to the Eagles, too.
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you're gonna rip on me for reading lindy's, yet you're gonna listen to mel kiper? i'd rather listen to scouting reports from my dog then listen to mel
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No. I don't listen to Mel. I'm just saying there are people (like Bob McGinn and Mel Kiper, among others) that had the dude going higher than our pick. Most had him top 40. I think the pick was a surprise to many (including myself) because the dude had "Safety" next to his name. It makes more sense thinking of the Randall as a corner.
BTW, as bad as Kiper is, he's better than Lindy's. Lindy's claim to fame is being the first one to get their magazine on the market. Makes their stuff outdated junk, but many of us were starving for any kind of info in the offseasons back in the day, so we'd buy Lindy's.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
I'm calling him "The Randall" from now on. "The Randall is a Great Defensive Back"
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Is that mel or me!
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
That 106 tackles is just a number... watch the tape, and everytime he escorts a receiver out of bounds?? That's considered a "tackle". He may not have even touched the guy, but b/c he was the closest defender, he gets credit for the tackle.
He's so small, and plays even smaller - that the only chance he has to get guys on the ground is to dive at their ankles, hence the charge that he is an "ankle biter".
He may be able to play the slot, and he may be able to stay with #3 WR's on the NFL level, but he had no business being a 1st round draft pick... terrible tackler, just terrible.
The more I watch of this guy, the more I'm shocked that anyone would think he was a 1st round pick.
wist
I've watched quite a few videos of him since last night, and did not see him "escorting" receivers out of bounds any significant number of times. All DBs use the sidelines to make tackles when near it. Why shouldn't they?
I did see a guy who missed a few tackles, but at least he missed while actually trying to make a tackle. I've seen a lot of worse efforts from Tramon Williams waiving at ball carries, or running side by side with them for 10 yards while hand fighting with them. Sadly, in today's NFL, CBs are no longer paid because of their tackling ability.
Because the effort appears to be there, I think he can improve at tackling
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