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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    What does Scott Wells have to do with it?

    Point was, and article mentioned (if you even bothered to read it) that R. Rodgers has exceptional hands. A. Rodgers said he might have the best hands on the team. The TE often sees the ball on third down in mid-range yards-to-go situations, and a drop often means a punt. We saw that time and again with Finley. Hopefully we won't with R. Rodgers.
    I think that was an attempt at a joke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    I think that was an attempt at a joke?
    Yes, 'attempt' being the key word. Still, we enjoy beating dead horses here at PR.
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    I'll be curious to see how he makes the first to second year jump. It's tougher for Richard Rodgers from an expectations standpoint because the team is hoping for more production out of the TE spot, as compared with expectations on someone like Devante Adams who is the 3rd WR. I am most interested to see how his blocking is improved. There were times last year when it looked like he had never thrown a block in his life. Now that the game is slowing down for him, hopefully he can take over the job and keep Q as the backup.

    He's never going to have the explosiveness that Finley had, but perhaps he'll be more steady. Finley teased. That shootout playoff game against AZ...wow. He had his moments, but he also never found consistency. I would take a good hands guy who can run a route and get enough separation to make ARod feel comfortable throwing his way.
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    For his size I expected RR to be a better blocker that he was. If he learns that part of the game, he could be a pretty good old-school TE, lining up next to the tackle and blocking or running routes. Chewy would be his ceiling, which is pretty good. With Lacy, having a TE that can block or catch well is good for making the offense less predictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadScientist View Post
    For his size I expected RR to be a better blocker that he was. If he learns that part of the game, he could be a pretty good old-school TE, lining up next to the tackle and blocking or running routes. Chewy would be his ceiling, which is pretty good. With Lacy, having a TE that can block or catch well is good for making the offense less predictable.
    Blocking techniques can be learned. Chewy wasn't a good blocker coming out of Boston College, but he became one of the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    I agree with Harvey's take... he has good hands, and can be a reliable short target. The threat of other receivers will give Rodgers opportunities - but Rodgers isn't capable of returning the favor.

    Should never have been a 3rd round draft pick IMO, but will probably stick with the team for quite a while as he probably won't generate much interest once his rookie contract is up. As such, all you homers will slap Ted on the back for making such a great pick


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    I think he can be solid, and even a decent starter down the line--which isn't all that bad for a third round pick. I think his blocking will improve. He certainly has the size and seems willing. However, he may have great hands, but he'll likely never be dynamic. I hear the reports of his great hands, but then I read this:

    S Chris Banjo might have been the most effective defender Monday when the safeties and inside linebackers were matched against the tight ends and running backs in one-on-one coverage. Banjo went 3-1, doing a great job twice against TE Richard Rodgers.
    It might not really matter with how dynamic our receiving corps could be. If the receiving corps wasn't so good, I'd be a lot more worried about the TE position.
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    But there was also this:

    Tight end Richard Rodgers made one of the highlight catches of training camp Tuesday with a diving one-handed snag of a Tolzien pass on an out pattern that converted a third down. “I had a feeling he was going to throw it to me, and the ball was going to come out quick,” Rodgers said. “I just came out of (the break), and I knew I could make a play on it once I saw it in the air.”

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    Should have saved it for the regular season!

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    With our WR corp do we need anything but a 4 WR set and Lacy crushing an MLB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    I agree with Harvey's take... he has good hands, and can be a reliable short target. The threat of other receivers will give Rodgers opportunities - but Rodgers isn't capable of returning the favor.

    Should never have been a 3rd round draft pick IMO, but will probably stick with the team for quite a while as he probably won't generate much interest once his rookie contract is up. As such, all you homers will slap Ted on the back for making such a great pick
    You yourself admitted that you would do no better than any NFL GM at making picks, yet you continue to rail on the people who are actually paid to do the work. Amazing. Year after year people complain that a pick isn't a future all-pro/hall of fame candidate. Fucking stupid. Calling fans homers doesn't make you sound smart, it makes you sound like an asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zool View Post
    You yourself admitted that you would do no better than any NFL GM at making picks, yet you continue to rail on the people who are actually paid to do the work. Amazing. Year after year people complain that a pick isn't a future all-pro/hall of fame candidate. Fucking stupid. Calling fans homers doesn't make you sound smart, it makes you sound like an asshole.
    Who put starch in your shorts this a.m.??

    A guy like Rodgers, who is a plodder, can be had lower in the draft - or FA. On the other hand, a guy like Findley, who can run and had special physical qualities probably should have been drafted higher than the 4th round we got him in. Rodgers was a 3rd round pick, and Findley was a 4th round pick... what sense does that make??

    Plodders at the TE position can be found tending bar just about any night of the week; hence, I wouldn't have drafted him in the 3rd round.

    3rd round and higher - you should be looking for quality starters, or guys with upside - Rodgers doesn't fit either catagory. He might end up being a servicable player over time, but don't see him as a good 3rd round value - just MO.

    Some have mentioned Mark Chmura - if Rodgers can get to that level, I would be happy with that; but then again Chmura was a 6th round draft pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Who put starch in your shorts this a.m.??

    A guy like Rodgers, who is a plodder, can be had lower in the draft - or FA. On the other hand, a guy like Findley, who can run and had special physical qualities probably should have been drafted higher than the 4th round we got him in. Rodgers was a 3rd round pick, and Findley was a 4th round pick... what sense does that make??

    Plodders at the TE position can be found tending bar just about any night of the week; hence, I wouldn't have drafted him in the 3rd round.

    3rd round and higher - you should be looking for quality starters, or guys with upside - Rodgers doesn't fit either catagory. He might end up being a servicable player over time, but don't see him as a good 3rd round value - just MO.

    Some have mentioned Mark Chmura - if Rodgers can get to that level, I would be happy with that; but then again Chmura was a 6th round draft pick.
    Who the hell is Findley? The Packers drafted Finley in the third round (91)http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/43604092.html
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    He was drafted using their compensatory pick, so it was basically a 4th rounder. I think you'll find that his first year production is probably above average for where they drafted him. Wist has his crystal ball out about future production, so I will defer to the crystal ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpe1027 View Post
    He was drafted using their compensatory pick, so it was basically a 4th rounder.
    Just to belabor the point, he was 91st (32x3=96 normal picks through three rounds). The only reason he wasn't the 92nd pick was that NE lost a pick due to 'spygate.' The first compensatory pick in 2008 was the Redskins at #96 (again, one pick early due to NE).
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    3	2	17	49	Jace Amaro		Jets		Texas Tech
    4	2	20	52	Troy Niklas		Cardinals	Notre Dame
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    Set aside for the moment that Pro Football Reference thinks Davante Adams and Allen Hurns are TEs, exactly who is the late round pick that would be an equal to Rodgers?

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    1              Davante Adams 2014 2014  2-53 GNB NFL    16    11    1    0    0    5
    2                Allen Hurns 2014 2014       JAX NFL    16     8    1    0    0    4
    3                 Jace Amaro 2014 2014  2-49 NYJ NFL    14     4    1    0    0    3
    4            Richard Rodgers 2014 2014  3-98 GNB NFL    16     5    1    0    0    3
    5             Travis Swanson 2014 2014  3-76 DET NFL    16     5    1    0    0    3
    6                 Eric Ebron 2014 2014  1-10 DET NFL    13     7    1    0    0    2
    7            Cameron Fleming 2014 2014 4-140 NWE NFL     7     2    1    0    0    2
    8    Austin Seferian-Jenkins 2014 2014  2-38 TAM NFL     9     9    1    0    0    2
    9          Crockett Gillmore 2014 2014  3-99 RAV NFL    15     1    1    0    0    1
    10              Charles Leno 2014 2014 7-246 CHI NFL     6     1    1    0    0    1
    11            Kevin Pamphile 2014 2014 5-149 TAM NFL     7     2    1    0    0    1
    12             Rashaun Allen 2014 2014       SEA NFL     1     0    1    0    0    0
    13               Blake Annen 2014 2014       CHI NFL     5     0    1    0    0    0
    14                Alex Bayer 2014 2014       RAM NFL     6     0    1    0    0    0
    15             Cameron Brate 2014 2014       TAM NFL     5     1    1    0    0    0
    16               Trey Burton 2014 2014       PHI NFL    15     0    1    0    0    0
    17          Asante Cleveland 2014 2014       SFO NFL     6     0    1    0    0    0
    18            Anthony Denham 2014 2014       HTX NFL     4     0    1    0    0    0
    19          C.J. Fiedorowicz 2014 2014  3-65 HTX NFL    15     8    1    0    0    0
    20             Gator Hoskins 2014 2014       2TM NFL    15     0    1    0    0    0
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    21                Nic Jacobs 2014 2014       JAX NFL    13     4    1    0    0    0
    22             Marcel Jensen 2014 2014       JAX NFL     1     0    1    0    0    0
    23               Troy Niklas 2014 2014  2-52 CRD NFL     7     2    1    0    0    0
    24            Justin Perillo 2014 2014       GNB NFL     2     0    1    0    0    0
    25            Scott Simonson 2014 2014       RAI NFL     4     0    1    0    0    0
    26           Jordan Thompson 2014 2014       DET NFL     2     0    1    0    0    0
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Set aside for the moment that Pro Football Reference thinks Davante Adams and Allen Hurns are TEs, exactly who is the late round pick that would be an equal to Rodgers?

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    Rk                           From   To Draft  Tm  Lg     G    GS  Yrs   PB  AP1   AV
    1              Davante Adams 2014 2014  2-53 GNB NFL    16    11    1    0    0    5
    2                Allen Hurns 2014 2014       JAX NFL    16     8    1    0    0    4
    3                 Jace Amaro 2014 2014  2-49 NYJ NFL    14     4    1    0    0    3
    4            Richard Rodgers 2014 2014  3-98 GNB NFL    16     5    1    0    0    3
    5             Travis Swanson 2014 2014  3-76 DET NFL    16     5    1    0    0    3
    6                 Eric Ebron 2014 2014  1-10 DET NFL    13     7    1    0    0    2
    7            Cameron Fleming 2014 2014 4-140 NWE NFL     7     2    1    0    0    2
    8    Austin Seferian-Jenkins 2014 2014  2-38 TAM NFL     9     9    1    0    0    2
    9          Crockett Gillmore 2014 2014  3-99 RAV NFL    15     1    1    0    0    1
    10              Charles Leno 2014 2014 7-246 CHI NFL     6     1    1    0    0    1
    11            Kevin Pamphile 2014 2014 5-149 TAM NFL     7     2    1    0    0    1
    12             Rashaun Allen 2014 2014       SEA NFL     1     0    1    0    0    0
    13               Blake Annen 2014 2014       CHI NFL     5     0    1    0    0    0
    14                Alex Bayer 2014 2014       RAM NFL     6     0    1    0    0    0
    15             Cameron Brate 2014 2014       TAM NFL     5     1    1    0    0    0
    16               Trey Burton 2014 2014       PHI NFL    15     0    1    0    0    0
    17          Asante Cleveland 2014 2014       SFO NFL     6     0    1    0    0    0
    18            Anthony Denham 2014 2014       HTX NFL     4     0    1    0    0    0
    19          C.J. Fiedorowicz 2014 2014  3-65 HTX NFL    15     8    1    0    0    0
    20             Gator Hoskins 2014 2014       2TM NFL    15     0    1    0    0    0
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    Rk                           From   To Draft  Tm  Lg     G    GS  Yrs   PB  AP1   AV
    21                Nic Jacobs 2014 2014       JAX NFL    13     4    1    0    0    0
    22             Marcel Jensen 2014 2014       JAX NFL     1     0    1    0    0    0
    23               Troy Niklas 2014 2014  2-52 CRD NFL     7     2    1    0    0    0
    24            Justin Perillo 2014 2014       GNB NFL     2     0    1    0    0    0
    25            Scott Simonson 2014 2014       RAI NFL     4     0    1    0    0    0
    26           Jordan Thompson 2014 2014       DET NFL     2     0    1    0    0    0
    The late-round pick that would be equal to Rodgers is - Rodgers
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
    I think he can be solid, and even a decent starter down the line--which isn't all that bad for a third round pick. I think his blocking will improve. He certainly has the size and seems willing. However, he may have great hands, but he'll likely never be dynamic. I hear the reports of his great hands, but then I read this:



    It might not really matter with how dynamic our receiving corps could be. If the receiving corps wasn't so good, I'd be a lot more worried about the TE position.
    Yup. There's only one ball so they're not all going to be putting up numbers regardless. Rodgers fits the system running routes underneath and reliably moving the chains when needed. With Lacy, he'll also keep the safeties from playing too soft, which is key. He'll catch everything thrown to him, which is just enough to help the receivers be more dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Who put starch in your shorts this a.m.??

    A guy like Rodgers, who is a plodder, can be had lower in the draft - or FA. On the other hand, a guy like Findley, who can run and had special physical qualities probably should have been drafted higher than the 4th round we got him in. Rodgers was a 3rd round pick, and Findley was a 4th round pick... what sense does that make??

    Plodders at the TE position can be found tending bar just about any night of the week; hence, I wouldn't have drafted him in the 3rd round.

    3rd round and higher - you should be looking for quality starters, or guys with upside - Rodgers doesn't fit either catagory. He might end up being a servicable player over time, but don't see him as a good 3rd round value - just MO.

    Some have mentioned Mark Chmura - if Rodgers can get to that level, I would be happy with that; but then again Chmura was a 6th round draft pick.
    As someone else mentioned, Finley was a 3rd round pick. Finley might have been higher than that but he had maturity issues that were known. After watching Finley tantalize but not quite match his potential, I think TT went for the guy with great hands who runs his routes right every time. And unlike Finley, Rodgers has the size to possibly become an all-around Tight End (blocking) rather than a guy who would rather be a wide receiver. Rodgers is off to a good start in my opinion. He certainly was more effective as a rookie than Finley. Plus, he seems to have the confidence of that other guy named Rodgers. If he can solidify the TE position, he's well worth a 3rd round pick.

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