Official NFL Notes 2015

[pbmax]

what did you think the fallout was going to be from losing deflate case?

Start with what works and duplicate that effort. Not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This isn't rocket surgery; literally thousands of employers know how to navigate this stuff. Stay consistent. Apply the policy you applied in the last 20 cases. If the policy needs to change, give advanced warning. If its a huge change, push it through one of the committees to get input and comments (even if its just a nod in that direction). Then announce.

As long as you don't make it up as you go along, it'll work just as it has been.

Now game integrity is a mess and will need a more comprehensive fix. But on field conduct and the Drug and Alcohol Policy have been fine. It almost seems like they are throwing a temper tantrum.

Speaking of which, Pacman said the guy he was bouncing off his helmet had grabbed or punched his throat. Did anyone see that?

[mraynrand]

Start with what works and duplicate that effort. Not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This isn't rocket surgery; literally thousands of employers know how to navigate this stuff. Stay consistent. Apply the policy you applied in the last 20 cases. If the policy needs to change, give advanced warning. If its a huge change, push it through one of the committees to get input and comments (even if its just a nod in that direction). Then announce.

As long as you don't make it up as you go along, it'll work just as it has been.

Now game integrity is a mess and will need a more comprehensive fix. But on field conduct and the Drug and Alcohol Policy have been fine. It almost seems like they are throwing a temper tantrum.

Speaking of which, Pacman said the guy he was bouncing off his helmet had grabbed or punched his throat. Did anyone see that?

this doesn't really answer my question, but seems like a nice exposition of what you wanted to talk about.

[pbmax]

this doesn't really answer my question, but seems like a nice exposition of what you wanted to talk about.

The answer is the first line. Stick with what works. In game conduct hasn't been an issue in terms of process.

[mraynrand]

The answer is the first line. Stick with what works. In game conduct hasn't been an issue in terms of process.

I agree, but that's not what I was rhetorically 'asking.'

[pbmax]

I agree, but that's not what I was rhetorically 'asking.'

Mea culpa.

[mraynrand]

Mea culpa.

It's not a big deal. You made some good points. But, I should have just made a direct statement: All I'm saying is that when you get taken to court and lose, you're gonna be gun shy. And having the precedent of being taken to court and winning against the NFL will inevitably lead to more cases being taken to court against the NFL (especially the more nebulously addressed they are by the NFLPA and bargaining).

[pbmax]

It's not a big deal. You made some good points. But, I should have just made a direct statement: All I'm saying is that when you get taken to court and lose, you're gonna be gun shy. And having the precedent of being taken to court and winning against the NFL will inevitably lead to more cases being taken to court against the NFL (especially the more nebulously addressed they are by the NFLPA and bargaining).

Well, that is what I thought you meant originally. I am not having a good day for cognition or communication.

I understand gun shy, but to read either the Rice, Hardy, Peterson or Brady cases as having on impact on conduct during a game seems a big reach. There is ample precedent to stand on.

[pbmax]

NFL's version:

Ed Werder @Edwerderespn
Rational for #NFL fining but not suspending Pacman: incident on field, Bengals penalized 15 yds, didn't swing helmet, Cooper wasn't injured,