Week 4 Other Games

[Joemailman]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-been-flagged/

Seahawks should have been flagged for knocking the ball out of the end zone. Lions should have had it at the half yard line. FUCK SEATTLE!!!

There was a ref looking right at it. Did he not know the rule, or is this another case of an official afraid to make a game-changing play call against Seattle in Seattle?

[channtheman]

I think the Seahawks are a below average team. They beat the winless Bears at home and barely beat the winless Lions at home (and probably should have lost). I actually don't expect them to make the playoffs this year.

[mraynrand]

Setting aside for now (but not for long) how the most unfair rule in football gave possession of the ball to the Seahawks even though they never recovered the football fumbled by Lions receiver Calvin Johnson, the decision of Seattle linebacker K.J. Wright to bat the ball out of the end zone should have given possession back to the Lions.

I remember week 4, 1996, Brooks had the ball punched out heading into the end zone at Minnesota, and MN got the touchback. ever since then, I thought it was an absurd rule. Ugliest of all ways to lose. Within inches of the end zone AND they ultimately screw up the call. Seems all too familiar.

[channtheman]

The Seahawks really truly do get some of the worst officiating blunders to go in their favor don't they? Amazing how lucky that team seems to get with the bad calls.

[Joemailman]

[yetisnowman]

Now they are claiming the back judge knew the rule but felt it was inadvertent. You fucking joking? The bullshit and luck this team inherits in that stadium is maddening.

[mraynrand]

Now they are claiming the back judge knew the rule but felt it was inadvertent. You fucking joking? The bullshit and luck this team inherits in that stadium is maddening.

Pete Carroll in his press conference was pretty clear the refs got it wrong and it was 'unfortunate.'

[pbmax]

Pete Carroll in his press conference was pretty clear the refs got it wrong and it was 'unfortunate.'

I can't stand this team. Beating them twice would be wonderful. However, I am afraid enough of their D I would also be happy to skip it.

[Pugger]

Now they are claiming the back judge knew the rule but felt it was inadvertent. You fucking joking? The bullshit and luck this team inherits in that stadium is maddening.

It is bull shit. If you read the rule it is pretty clear and NOT a judgement call like PI. Those seachickens are the luckiest bastards in the league getting calls like this at home.

[Joemailman]

It is bull shit. If you read the rule it is pretty clear and NOT a judgement call like PI. Those seachickens are the luckiest bastards in the league getting calls like this at home.

I think the officials have always had some discretion as to intent. There have been plenty of fumbles in the end zone where players touch the ball trying to recover it, but are unable to do so before it goes out of the end zone. What made this one different is that Wright batted the ball without making any attempt to recover it. That's why it should have been a penalty, where as a penalty is not called if players make an unsuccessful attempt to recover it.

[mraynrand]

I think the officials have always had some discretion as to intent. There have been plenty of fumbles in the end zone where players touch the ball trying to recover it, but are unable to do so before it goes out of the end zone. What made this one different is that Wright batted the ball without making any attempt to recover it. That's why it should have been a penalty, where as a penalty is not called if players make an unsuccessful attempt to recover it.

Yes, and this is exactly the excuse the refs are using that in the refs judgement the player was not intentionally tapping it out of bounds. And just like the last time this happened, the ref making the call is the only person on the planet who saw it that way.

[mraynrand]

[Joemailman]

Couldn't see it I guess.

https://vine.co/v/e2DKtaQ6rVD

[pbmax]

Couldn't see it I guess.

https://vine.co/v/e2DKtaQ6rVD

[pbmax]

Football Perspective ‏@fbgchase 1h1 hour ago
Pete Carroll looks so nervous in this press conference you'd think they asked him if he lacked institutional control.

Brian Burke ‏@bburkeESPN 1h1 hour ago
If illegal batting were called, DET has 1st-goal-1 with 1:45 and a .807 WP, meaning a missed call would be a .702 WP error.

70% change in likely game outcome with blown call.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Brian Burke ‏@bburkeESPN 1h1 hour ago
If illegal batting were called, DET has 1st-goal-1 with 1:45 and a .807 WP, meaning a missed call would be a .702 WP error.
70% change in likely game outcome with blown call.

What the fuck was that, anyway? Jon Gruden must know the rules, why no discussion on TV of these bizarre circumstances. Not very peripatetic.

Lousy game, really. Maybe OK for Seattle fans. No fun to watch the Lions O manage 3 points.

[mraynrand]

No fun to watch the Lions O manage 3 points.

Unless you enjoy watching the defense that stifled them.

[Fritz]

What's kind of funny is that seemingly no one on the planet - not Jim Caldwell, not Jon Gruden, not the fans, nobody - knew this rule. Tirico never said a word. The coaches didn't bitch at all. It wasn't until after when somebody postgame interviewed a ref that this came up.

So essentially the rule was there but no one really seemed to know that. Had Caldwell or one of his assistants known the rule, he might've immediately jumped the officials about it, so they might've then huddled briefly (pretending it was their idea) and then thrown a flag. We've seen that happen - the coach jumps one of the refs, the light bulb goes on, the ref calls a huddle, there's a discussion, there's a flag. So it's not really officially a review of a non-penalty, because no one's asking for a booth view or anything - just dudes huddling to make sure they get the call right.

I still blame the Lions for this loss.

[Guiness]

What's kind of funny is that seemingly no one on the planet - not Jim Caldwell, not Jon Gruden, not the fans, nobody - knew this rule. Tirico never said a word. The coaches didn't bitch at all. It wasn't until after when somebody postgame interviewed a ref that this came up.

So essentially the rule was there but no one really seemed to know that. Had Caldwell or one of his assistants known the rule, he might've immediately jumped the officials about it, so they might've then huddled briefly (pretending it was their idea) and then thrown a flag. We've seen that happen - the coach jumps one of the refs, the light bulb goes on, the ref calls a huddle, there's a discussion, there's a flag. So it's not really officially a review of a non-penalty, because no one's asking for a booth view or anything - just dudes huddling to make sure they get the call right.

I still blame the Lions for this loss.

I was thinking the same thing no one said a word, including on this board, or the sports guy on the Detroit news this morning.

[ThunderDan]

I was thinking the same thing no one said a word, including on this board, or the sports guy on the Detroit news this morning.

When it happened I thought it was a fantastic play. By batting the ball out of the end zone there is no chance that he muffs the ball trying to catch it and potentially allowing DET to recover the ball.