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    Red Devil Rat HOFer gbgary's Avatar
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    better secondary= better pass rush. better up the middle with clay, raji, & co., has helped the run d. one other thing...heard/read many times about a new nastyness. don't know who brought that but it's cool to have. i don't want them to become cheap-shot artists like sea but as long as it's legal (not killing us with penalties) it's cool.

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    From McGinn as well:

    "We really haven't been the old two-gap deal for a while now. We feel we've got some good athletes. We want guys to make plays. We don't want them to be robots."
    After he notes he has been working with Raji since his return on releasing off blocks. Trgovac has also said in the past they don't two gap nearly as much as people seem to think.

    So while McGinn paraphrases Pickett as saying the overriding message from the coaches was to protect the ILBs, I am not sure that has been the case for some time.
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    Gurley was a load today but if you take his 55 yd out he got 104 in 29 attempts...not so bad.

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    Clay is a great rusher wherever you put him. He's been a great rusher, and that's mostly been outside. People act like he's supposed to get a sack every play. Sometimes, the other guy blocking him is good too. Sometimes, a great rusher gets doubled. Sometimes, the opposing QB throws quickly or has a quick release. Clay deservedly got paid because he's been one of the best outside rushers in the league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
    Clay is a great rusher wherever you put him. He's been a great rusher, and that's mostly been outside. People act like he's supposed to get a sack every play. Sometimes, the other guy blocking him is good too. Sometimes, a great rusher gets doubled. Sometimes, the opposing QB throws quickly or has a quick release. Clay deservedly got paid because he's been one of the best outside rushers in the league.
    As I said, the conversation about Clay seldom ends well. I'm not getting into it again, but he's a great rusher of the passer. I disagree that he justified his salary until they moved him inside part time. Let's just leave it alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpe1027 View Post
    As I said, the conversation about Clay seldom ends well. I'm not getting into it again, but he's a great rusher of the passer. I disagree that he justified his salary until they moved him inside part time. Let's just leave it alone.
    I agree, sort of. because they kept throwing him at the LT, his usefulness was diminished. That was on the coaches. Clay's best attribute is that very quick burst speed, so it helps to create mismatches for him/ line him up in gaps, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mraynrand View Post
    I agree, sort of. because they kept throwing him at the LT, his usefulness was diminished. That was on the coaches. Clay's best attribute is that very quick burst speed, so it helps to create mismatches for him/ line him up in gaps, etc.
    Thanks, sort of. He is an absolute nightmare for offenses with how he is being used now.

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    Watching the Monday night countdown, they showed the Pack allowing 5 yds per rushing attempt, 2nd most in the league. Is that an improvement from last year?

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    The Rams have the best pass rushing DLs in the league. Houston and Hali before are gteat. Those guys get blocked too. The way offenses are set up nowadays, it's hard to get consistent pressure. The best rushers now make a few disruptive or game changing plays per game - like Quinn's sack and forced fumble.
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    Cue wist in 3...2...1...

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    Gurley's 55 yard run boosted his average significantly. Fisher ran him like he used to run Eddie George...30 carries, yikes. They had to, Foles was getting killed and not playing well because of it.
    Personally, I'm happy they kept Gurley out of the end zone. points >>> yards.

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    Well this week we get to find out if the Pack’s pass defense has improved as we face our first upper echelon QB. Now of course if the Bolts OL was healthy it would be a better test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deake View Post
    Well this week we get to find out if the Pack’s pass defense has improved as we face our first upper echelon QB. Now of course if the Bolts OL was healthy it would be a better test.
    You could say the same thing about the health of our defense with Boyd, Barrington, Perry, Burnett, Richardson, maybe Raji being out. As far as I know, none of their OL have been ruled out. Two are out with a concussion, so they could be back this week. The other two had ankle injuries and could play this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deake View Post
    Well this week we get to find out if the Pack’s pass defense has improved as we face our first upper echelon QB. Now of course if the Bolts OL was healthy it would be a better test.
    Was at the game, looks like the D has a little work to do yet. Play after play Allen had seperation from Sam. It reminded me of the Bears game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deake View Post
    Was at the game, looks like the D has a little work to do yet. Play after play Allen had seperation from Sam. It reminded me of the Bears game.
    Shields was on Floyd most of the time. The Chargers kept getting Allen matched up on the other corners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denverYooper View Post
    Shields was on Floyd most of the time. The Chargers kept getting Allen matched up on the other corners.
    According to McGinn, Allen was beating Shields too.

    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/333923701.html

    Willowy and precise, Allen caught five for 76 against Sam Shields and four for 40 against Damarious Randall. Just one of the passes thrown to him wasn't complete.

    "He's a dynamic guy and he runs really good routes," Packers defensive back Micah Hyde said. "We went with a lot of man-up against him. We kind of told ourselves that we had good enough DB's and were going to match up against him.

    "We played it straight. They got the best of us."

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    Quote Originally Posted by deake View Post
    Was at the game, looks like the D has a little work to do yet. Play after play Allen had seperation from Sam. It reminded me of the Bears game.
    Looks like the D still needs a little work, lack of a pass rush exposed the rookie corners. On the plus side they should improve as the season goes along.

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    No, now I am really worried about him.

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    Allen is the kind of WR who gives every DB fits.

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