WR Routes

[Maxie the Taxi]

If all this analysis is correct (and I think it pretty much is), then no wonder our offense is stalled in PARK. Not only did TT fail the team (he should have brought in a seasoned replacement as soon as Jordy went down; plus, starting TE's were available in free agency) but Stubby and Clements should have dialed back their complicated system to something that could be implemented with the talent available.

Isn't the job of a good coach to get the most out of the players he has, rather than try to force square peg players into the round holes of the system?

[beveaux1]

If all this analysis is correct (and I think it pretty much is), then no wonder our offense is stalled in PARK. Not only did TT fail the team (he should have brought in a seasoned replacement as soon as Jordy went down; plus, starting TE's were available in free agency) but Stubby and Clements should have dialed back their complicated system to something that could be implemented with the talent available.

Isn't the job of a good coach to get the most out of the players he has, rather than try to force square peg players into the round holes of the system?

He did bring in Jones. I think that might have been the best he could do. Everybody anticipated (hoped for) Adams to make the jump. Nearly impossible to pick up a #1 that knows your system 2 games into the pre-season.

[pbmax]

Rodgers liked Adams because he is as big as Nelson and so man coverage has a whale of a time getting hands on him to stop or redirect. I assume, though have no proof other than playing time, that he is better at routes and being where he is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there than Janis. That INT last night is what happens when you aren't. Rodgers doesn't complete a lot of slants to Cobb for a reason. Adams is big enough to run those, absorb contact and make the catch.

It would be good for his to start. He just isn't doing that this year with the injury, rehab and catching up to speed.

The other two players who should be helping mitigate the loss of Nelson are Monty, who was doing just that by abusing man coverage and Magical Abby, who was just recovering from last year's injury.

Someone said Ted should have gotten a vet when Nelson was injured. I am pretty sure he did that and that vet shows one of the two reasons you don't do that. He hasn't got a ton left in the tank. The other problem is likelihood of injury, which the younger players have taken care of nicely.

Monty getting re-hurt is horrible timing and might have been the most costly mistake this year. If they were pushing it by practicing early, it might cost their offense four games of ineptitude.

Someone else said Cobb is known for his hands and routes. He might be known for his hands, but he is also known for his drops. And Cobb's best routes are on broken plays.

But the culprit most easily fixed is this divide over the playbook offense and Rodger's offense that everyone was talking about in the offseason. When you have to start youngsters, that isn't helping. At this point, there aren't any youngsters left to worry about. But Monty will be back at some point I hope.

The current version of the no huddle also has to go. I think this is the loss that will compel M3 to change up the offense, junk the offseason plan and go back to basics of design. As someone else said, they have fixed the run game to some degree. Time for the same work on the passing game.

[beveaux1]

Rodgers liked Adams because he is as big as Nelson and so man coverage has a whale of a time getting hands on him to stop or redirect. I assume, though have no proof other than playing time, that he is better at routes and being where he is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there than Janis. That INT last night is what happens when you aren't. Rodgers doesn't complete a lot of slants to Cobb for a reason. Adams is big enough to run those, absorb contact and make the catch.

It would be good for his to start. He just isn't doing that this year with the injury, rehab and catching up to speed.

The other two players who should be helping mitigate the loss of Nelson are Monty, who was doing just that by abusing man coverage and Magical Abby, who was just recovering from last year's injury.

Someone said Ted should have gotten a vet when Nelson was injured. I am pretty sure he did that and that vet shows one of the two reasons you don't do that. He hasn't got a ton left in the tank. The other problem is likelihood of injury, which the younger players have taken care of nicely.

Monty getting re-hurt is horrible timing and might have been the most costly mistake this year. If they were pushing it by practicing early, it might cost their offense four games of ineptitude.

Someone else said Cobb is known for his hands and routes. He might be known for his hands, but he is also known for his drops. And Cobb's best routes are on broken plays.

But the culprit most easily fixed is this divide over the playbook offense and Rodger's offense that everyone was talking about in the offseason. When you have to start youngsters, that isn't helping. At this point, there aren't any youngsters left to worry about. But Monty will be back at some point I hope.

The current version of the no huddle also has to go. I think this is the loss that will compel M3 to change up the offense, junk the offseason plan and go back to basics of design. As someone else said, they have fixed the run game to some degree. Time for the same work on the passing game.

McCarthy really doesn't have very many bullets left in his gun. In 2010 we were hit with a similar group of injuries and didn't start coming together as a team until the last few games. If I remember correctly, the NFC that year was pretty weak. We went in as a number 6 seed and ended up winning the Super Bowl. It's kind of eerie how similar this season is to that one. There's still a lot of football to be played in December. Maybe Montgomery and Abrederis coming back allows us to adjust the offense to a 4 wide look with 2 slot receivers, similar to New England. Maybe the light comes on for Adams. It will be interesting.

[Rutnstrut]

McCarthy really doesn't have very many bullets left in his gun. In 2010 we were hit with a similar group of injuries and didn't start coming together as a team until the last few games. If I remember correctly, the NFC that year was pretty weak. We went in as a number 6 seed and ended up winning the Super Bowl. It's kind of eerie how similar this season is to that one. There's still a lot of football to be played in December. Maybe Montgomery and Abrederis coming back allows us to adjust the offense to a 4 wide look with 2 slot receivers, similar to New England. Maybe the light comes on for Adams. It will be interesting.

Good luck with that, imo this team is nothing like that 2010 team. in 2010 even when the rest of the team was playing like shit, Rodgers was playing solid if I remember right. This season Rodgers is leading the ones that look like poo.

[denverYooper]

Good luck with that, imo this team is nothing like that 2010 team. in 2010 even when the rest of the team was playing like shit, Rodgers was playing solid if I remember right. This season Rodgers is leading the ones that look like poo.

Rodgers and the offense struggled during several games that season. They were 10th in ppg that year. 11th this year with enough games left to move up yet.

The 2010 comarison is not as far out of line as you seem to think.

[mraynrand]

Good luck with that, imo this team is nothing like that 2010 team. in 2010 even when the rest of the team was playing like shit, Rodgers was playing solid if I remember right. This season Rodgers is leading the ones that look like poo.

Rodgers looked like total garbage at Detroit before his concussion. He definitely got on a roll, but still struggled with Chicago. The Defense pulled their own weight that season.

DYoop is right - this team could look like 2010, but they'd have to hit their stride with Abracadabra and Monty and maybe Q-less. They need their depth to come through, just like it did in 2010 (e.g. Shields, Walden, Green...)

[Teamcheez1]

I'm not buying that the receivers and the execution are the only issue with this team. Many teams end up in similar situations as the Packers and they adjust accordingly. The game plan and the play-calling share at least as much blame as the players. The Patriots seem to be losing a WR or RB every week and they find a way to integrate new players and schemes into their offense. MM is either unwilling or unable to do the same, and Clements follows suit. I've seen the same game plan and formations trotted out every week with miserable results.

[mraynrand]

Janis is the game

[denverYooper]

I keep hearing how the Patriots keep rolling but the Patriots offense has struggled more and more as they've lost guys. Their overall numbers are mostly inflated due to some early season blowouts. They are not just plugging Schmoes in and churning out the same offensive production. They are still winning because of very good defense and special teams combined with an offense that can do just enough.

The Patriots had a real tough time at home against Buffalo. Why? Because Buffalo has a strong, aggressive defense. If Buffalo had any kind of offense, they would have won.

The Patriots are going to be matching up against a strong defense on the road again this week. It will be an interesting game. The Patriots are in good position to win but it will be more because of their defense, not their offense. If Brady gets hit 15 more times this week he'll start to look a little skittish too. Denver fans are feeling doomed but I think the Broncos have a pretty legitimate shot to win this week because of their defense.

Let's not pretend the Patriots are just running some outstanding offense these days. Combined with their very strong defense/STs it is enough to win, but that is it. If Gronk went down, the Patriots offense would probably drop down into Packer-level funk.

[mraynrand]

That Gillette stadium field looks better than Lambeau, so lush and green.