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    McCarthy Takes Back Playcalling

    I must be the only one who thinks this was not the problem.

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    Scoopage. #packers head coach Mike McCarthy is taking back over play-calling duties today, first time all season
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    If he does that, is Clement's time in GB done? MM can't just rollback the clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    If he does that, is Clement's time in GB done? MM can't just rollback the clock.
    I doubt McCarthy views it that way, but Clements might. Ty Dunne notes this is the second time Clements has lost play calling duties (former Bills OC).

    Its the structure of the no huddle and the personnel mismatch that cause the problem. This will make no difference unless the plays change, or the approach to constructing the game plan changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Its the structure of the no huddle and the personnel mismatch that cause the problem. This will make no difference unless the plays change, or the approach to constructing the game plan changes.
    That might be the exact reason for the change. MM said in the off season that Clements would be responsible for the game plan, because to be an effective play call the game plan has to be yours. Perhaps MM is acknowledging that the game plans have not adapted to the changing aspects of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    That might be the exact reason for the change. MM said in the off season that Clements would be responsible for the game plan, because to be an effective play call the game plan has to be yours. Perhaps MM is acknowledging that the game plans have not adapted to the changing aspects of the season.
    Perhaps Stubby ordered Clements not to change much of anything. Perhaps Clements screwed up by following Stubby's orders. Afterall, Stubby's been saying all that needs to be done is "clean up the details."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Perhaps Stubby ordered Clements not to change much of anything. Perhaps Clements screwed up by following Stubby's orders. Afterall, Stubby's been saying all that needs to be done is "clean up the details."
    who knows. Generally Stubby doesn't air his dirty laundry in public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    If he does that, is Clement's time in GB done? MM can't just rollback the clock.
    I wish he would. Let Clements coordinate the offense, and let Edgar Bennett go back to coaching the WR's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    I wish he would. Let Clements coordinate the offense, and let Edgar Bennett go back to coaching the WR's.
    What is Bennett's job now? Is he the OC and Clements assistant HC or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guiness View Post
    What is Bennett's job now? Is he the OC and Clements assistant HC or something?
    Yes. But I have no idea what the division of responsibilities is.

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    Who's going to manage strategy, you know, like wasting and mismanaging TO's, with Stubby calling plays?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Who's going to manage strategy, you know, like wasting and mismanaging TO's, with Stubby calling plays?
    Pick me! Pick me!

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    ^^^ and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some of the players (Read: Rodgers) may have lost confidence in the game planning 'structure' and 'process'
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    I wonder what AR will think of this? Hasn't the story been that he and Clements are close, that Rodgers thinks a lot of Clements? The rumor has been for several years that there is some friction between McCarthy and Rodgers, not serious, but they aren't close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    I wonder what AR will think of this? Hasn't the story been that he and Clements are close, that Rodgers thinks a lot of Clements? The rumor has been for several years that there is some friction between McCarthy and Rodgers, not serious, but they aren't close.
    I was thinking the exact opposite! (at least with respect to the game-planning routine)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mraynrand View Post
    I was thinking the exact opposite! (at least with respect to the game-planning routine)
    Ya, that crossed my mind too, when Rodgers made comments a few weeks ago about the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    I wonder what AR will think of this? Hasn't the story been that he and Clements are close, that Rodgers thinks a lot of Clements? The rumor has been for several years that there is some friction between McCarthy and Rodgers, not serious, but they aren't close.
    Maybe that friction wasn't such a bad thing, and maybe having the QB and playcaller close wasn't such a good thing.

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    Some of the playcalling the last couple weeks has been a real head scratcher.

    I don't think this will make much of a difference - I hope i'm wrong, but it's the players that need to execute - and I've seen players not doing their part (dropped passes, wrong routes, giving up on plays, etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Maybe that friction wasn't such a bad thing, and maybe having the QB and playcaller close wasn't such a good thing.
    Very well could be. Just wondering if AR might think his friend (Clements) is being made the scapegoat for a lot of other issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Maybe that friction wasn't such a bad thing, and maybe having the QB and playcaller close wasn't such a good thing.
    2nd time in a row responding to your post - we must be on the same wavelength today!

    I was thinking the same, the playcaller and guy receiving the plays maybe shouldn't be too buddy buddy. Brent's best years were when Holmgren was calling plays, and cussing him out for taking stupid chances, not when Sherman was fetching him coffee. Rodger's makes mistakes like the rest of them, 2-time MVP or not, it's not a good thing if after doing something wrong, the response is 'there there, we'll get them next time'
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