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Oh, now I see why you hate him.Originally Posted by Deputy Nutz
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Jim Kelly > Aaron Rodgers
I gotta think about that one for a while. But I am pretty sure I don't agree.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Where is the top end of the list?
Obviously a lot of people around here can't stand the thought of being labeled a homer - Aaron Rodgers at #17? Come On! If he isn't in the top five all time right now, something is pretty messed up.
Factoring in all items - stats, duration of high level performance, and yes, championships even though I consider that the least of the three, since it is, after all, a team sport, I'd say we Packer fans are blessed to have 3 in the top 7 or 8. I'd put Favre at #1 - whine about homerism if you will, but who is better over duration of his career? Elway? probably not. Montana? definitely not. Unitas? Maybe, probably not. Peyton? Doubtful. Marino? as was stated, in some ways. Brady? not yet anyway. Namath? No Way. Otto Graham? also rated too low on that list, but not on a par with Favre. Sammy Baugh? before even my time/the game was too different then.
I'll put Favre #1, Elway #2, Marino #3, Rodgers #4, Montana #5, Tarkenton #6, Starr #7, Peyton #8, Graham #9, Brady #10.
Oops, I forgot Unitas. Put him at #9 and move Graham and Brady down one.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
*SIGH*
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
#15
Len Dawson 6-0 190lbs
Chiefs, Pittsburgh, Browns
Dawson was a first round pick of the Pittsburgh Steelers, but did not see the field consistently until his former college coach Hank Stramm picked him up to play for the Dallas Texans of the AFL. He was the AFL MVP in 1962 as the Texans beat the Oilers for the AFL Championship. The next year the Texans moved to Kansas City and became the Chiefs. Dawson would go on to win 4 AFL passing titles, Over the span between 1962-1969 Len Dawson completed more touchdown passes than any other professional QB. In 1966 Dawson lead the Chiefs to another AFL Title and the Chiefs earned the right to face the Green Bay Packers in the first ever Super Bowl. The Chiefs would fall to the Packers but Dawson was able to take the Chiefs back to the Super Bowl in 1969 after missing five games with a knee injury. Dawson and the Chiefs defeated the Vikings to win Super Bowl IV. He was named MVP of the game. Dawson managed to be named to the AFL/NFL pro bowl/all-star team 7 times and the AFL All Pro Team 2 times.
Years Played: 19
Games Started: 159
Regular Season Record: 94-57-8
Playoff Record: 5-3
Completion %: 57.1
Yards per Attempt: 7.7
Yards per Completion: 13.4
Yards per Game: 136
TD to INT ratio: 239-183
QB rating: 82.6
4th Quarter Comebacks: 15
Game Winning Drives: 18
Rushing Yards: 1293
Yards per Carry: 4.4
Rushing TDs: 43
The bottom line with Rodgers is that he isn't finished yet nor is he close to finished. He is not even the best QB of his era and like I have mentioned the tough thing about all this is jumping fro era to era with how the game was played and how the game was called by officials. Rodgers, Manninng, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger all play in the current era where the passing game is emphasized by the league. We have record setting play currently going on in the NFL and I don't necessarily think it is because the QBs are all that much better than QBs of the past.
To be honest Rodgers wasn't even on my original list. Its just that his stats really jump off the charts, but a lot of QB stats jump out from 2007 on. Don't you think it is weird that Brett Favre had his best statistical season ever at the age of 40 in 2009?
Last edited by Deputy Nutz; 01-21-2016 at 01:12 PM.
Sad how some people are so afraid to be called a homer that they can't speak the truth if it happens to support their own.
What QB EVER had the positive stats and overall success of Aaron Rodgers with the extremely low level of interceptions? That lack of turnovers combined with great success trumps everything else sets Rodgers apart from a lot of others who threw with great success but put if up for grabs a lot more often.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
Barkeep, I'll have another bourbon and water over here.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
Really? No, it's 32 rushing TDs, 675 attempts, and 5.4 yards/attempt
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
I was just about to accuse him, Bud Grant and whoever else coached him of being idiots. They should have kicked a FG instead of scoring 4/10 of a TD. The FG is worth more!
I couldn't figure if .4 TDs is 2.4 or 2.8 points. You can't score .4 or .8 points even with replacement refs.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Good catch, hate to have that egg on my face
Warner also got shell shocked there for a while and after the Saints' coaching staff put a bounty on his head and knocked him out of the game he decided to retire
I had forgotten that he was a victim of that too. The shot he took was every bit as hard as Sapp's hit on Clifton. That hit would draw an immediate flag and suspension today.
http://deadspin.com/5890060/the-hit-...-to-injure-him
kinda reminds me of the hit the Spartans delivered on that place kicker from Oregon this past year
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Warner had a strange career. Every team he was with seemed anxious to find a replacement for him. The Rams released him in favor of Marc Bulger. The Giants signed him, then sat him after just part of a season to play the rookie Eli Manning, who really wasn't very good at that time. The Cardinals ordained Josh McCown the starter after Warner played a few games and had a minor injury from which he returned in just a couple weeks, yet they stuck with McCown. When that didn't work, Warner started a few more games, then Leinart was ordained the starter for the rest of the year. For several years they kept giving the starting job to Leinart, yet yelded again to Warner each year.
Warner was a very effective starting QB that nobody seemed to have patience with when he had just a couple bad games; and they all tried to make anyone but him their starter.
Warner's career sounds like what some posters here would like to do to Rodgers - or Stubby.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
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Skinbasket is a nice fellow, he is just the strangest person I know. The rumor has it that he has found religion.
I'm going to find your dog's butthole with my meat baton if you put Bert in the top 10. I see right through this "list" of yours. You wouldn't put this kind of time and effort into something unless it delivers a payoff of being a long winded way to say Rodgers isn't half the QB Farve was.
"You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial
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Bart Starr 6-1 197lbs
Packers
Bart Starr went from being the 200 pick in the 1956 draft to winning more NFL championships than any other quarterback. He was the first quarterback to ever win a Super Bowl and was named the MVP in Super Bowl I and Super Bowl II. He was the 1966 NFL MVP, and went to 4 Pro Bowls. He was famously known for his game winning drive and touchdown in the 1967 NFL Championship against the Dallas Cowboys dubbed the "ICE BOWL" because of the below zero temps and windchill during the December 31st game in Green Bay. Starr was responsible for calling the plays in the huddle, he had a great mind for the game which would later lead him into coaching for the only team he ever played for. He was inducted into the NFL Hall Of Fame in 1977.
Years Played: 16
Games Started: 157
Regular Season Record: 94-57-6
Playoff Record: 9-1
Completion %: 57.4
Yards per Attempt: 7.8
Yards per Completion: 13.7
Yards per Game: 126.1
TD to INT ratio: 152-138
QB rating: 80.5
4th Quarter Comebacks: 19
Game Winning Drives: 18
Rushing Yards: 1308
Yards per Carry: 5.3
Rushing TDs: 15
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