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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Nope. Reality is complex and not easily solved with binary choices.

    Both Rodgers and McCarthy have issues right now. But there are very few better than either.

    So you can punt one or both, but the odds you improve your team are tiny. Far better odds that the team gets worse.

    So you work with them to get them out of their funk.
    Don't you understand, you MUST either worship the player or coach and find no fault with him whatsoever, or despise him and advocate for his ouster.

    I first began questioning Rodgers decision making at the end of 2014. You may recall that I critiqued their last drive in the Seattle playoff game, play by play, arguing that he made poor decisions on many of the plays. I dismissed it as maybe due to his calf injury, but I wasn't sure how that changed what he saw and decided, because he seemed to still throw well and run to some extent. I was roundly criticized for wanting him gone. In fact, I just wanted him to play better.

    During 2015 I raised many questions about Rodgers' share of the blame for the failing offense, and during the off season said the start of 2016 would tell us if 2015 was an aberration or a new normal for Rodgers that had to be accepted if unchangeable or dealt with if correctable. Manny seemed to consider me a lunatic for wanting to get rid of Rodgers, when in fact I just wanted him to play better, or for MM to adapt.

    But, that is never an option. You can not want to keep a coach/player/GM yet still be dissatisfied with some aspect of what they do. It simply is not allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    Don't you understand, you MUST either worship the player or coach and find no fault with him whatsoever, or despise him and advocate for his ouster.

    I first began questioning Rodgers decision making at the end of 2014. You may recall that I critiqued their last drive in the Seattle playoff game, play by play, arguing that he made poor decisions on many of the plays. I dismissed it as maybe due to his calf injury, but I wasn't sure how that changed what he saw and decided, because he seemed to still throw well and run to some extent. I was roundly criticized for wanting him gone. In fact, I just wanted him to play better.

    During 2015 I raised many questions about Rodgers' share of the blame for the failing offense, and during the off season said the start of 2016 would tell us if 2015 was an aberration or a new normal for Rodgers that had to be accepted if unchangeable or dealt with if correctable. Manny seemed to consider me a lunatic for wanting to get rid of Rodgers, when in fact I just wanted him to play better, or for MM to adapt.

    But, that is never an option. You can not want to keep a coach/player/GM yet still be dissatisfied with some aspect of what they do. It simply is not allowed.

    I see that my years of quiet tutelage have finally paid off, Patler.

    This is a monumental moment. We can take a moment to appreciate the immensity of what you've done here. Yet we cannot be satisfied. We cannot simply stop here.

    Next, work on your phrasing. Turn "I just wanted him to play better" into "Rodgers sucks!" Turn "I wanted MM to adapt" into "MM is stuck in a rut!"

    Once you've developed a harsher phrasing, we can work on larger generalizations and harsher criticisms. Then we'll work on your ability to criticize no matter what Rodgers or MM or Thompson does, and no matter how the season turns out. Don't let any Packer success get you down. If you are diligent in your efforts, you'll find it's possible to criticize any and all of them roundly, even if they win the Super Bowl!

    Still, let's not lose sight of what you've accomplished today. This is a big first step. Big.

    PB, I hope you were watching all of this. I think that if Patler can make such a transition, I don't see why you can't, too.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    "MM is stuck in Rut!"
    I always knew RutnStrut was totally gay for Stubby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zool View Post
    I always knew RutnStrut was totally gay for Stubby.

    Let's start calling a spade. TT is an average GM. Struck gold with Rodger and the Claymaker. Has been ok besides that. I'd just like an upgrade
    LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bretsky View Post
    Let's start calling a spade. TT is an average GM. Struck gold with Rodger and the Claymaker. Has been ok besides that. I'd just like an upgrade
    So you want to hire the Patriots entire personnel department?

    Look at the teams the Packers are competing with in the playoffs:

    1. Carolina Panthers cannot keep CBs and are almost mathematically eliminated from playoff contention already.
    2. The Seahawks are trying to prove that John Schneider was the reason the Packers took forever to fix holes in their O line. Have you seen their offense? If that was the Packers offense, all the dogs in Green Bay would have been shot after Week 3. Don't even get me started on the genius plan to trade their best O lineman for an Al-Pro TE and then ask him to block and run flat routes.
    3. Arizona Cardinals offense in lower than the Packers and their QB is actually old and failing.
    4. Dallas Cowboys are doing fine but anyone want to bet it survives Romo's return or lasts past this year?
    5. In Atlanta, the rule of thumb is one side of the team must always be in the bottom of the League and multiple year stretches of not being in the playoffs in acceptable in the NFC South.
    6. Philadelphia Eagles, see Dallas.
    7. Denver Broncos are going to be tied with the teams run by Reggie McKenzie and John Dorsey in a week or two.

    Who on earth is a known upgrade on Thompson? Right now the only candidate I would like is the guy the Lions hired IF he also was responsible for bringing in Jim Bob Cooter to straighten out Stafford and the O.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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