I'd like either at 23.....not sure either will be there.Originally Posted by HarveyWallbangers
I'd like either at 23.....not sure either will be there.
Goff or Wentz?
Goff is the word.
edit: They probably would have already signed the guy except for dildo Goodell telling everyone to shut up for the big show. Unfortunately, like last year we'll probably four picks backed up. I'm beginning to dislike watching the NFL draft for the first time ever.
Leave to Roger to fuck it up.
Turn the fucking card in. You didn't trade a shitload of picks while unsure of what you wanted.
Seriously? Rams aren't sure huh?
Had to flip a bunch of coins.
http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/QB/Jared-Goff
Jared Goff
School: California
Position: QB
Positive: Three-year starter who completed 64.5% of his throws and set PAC 12 records with 4719 yards passing and 43 TDs last season. Sophomore totals included 3973 yards passing after 3508 yards the prior year. Accurate, instinctive signal caller with great upside. Patient in the pocket, remains poised under all conditions and scans the field, going through progressions. Quickly sets up with the pocket. Consistently throws with solid fundamentals and has a smooth, over-the-top delivery. Natural looking off the safety, does a solid job with his defensive reads and improvises when plays breakdown. Accurate with terrific pass placement. Puts the ball in front of receivers and does not make them work hard to come away with the reception. Displays a great sense of knowing where his targets are on the field, easily slides outside the pocket to make the throw on the move and puts air under passes, letting receivers run to the ball. Keeps his eyes down the field looking for pass catchers rather than worrying about pass rushers, displays a great sense of timing and does not have receivers waiting on the ball. Puts touch on throws when necessary. Throws terrific corner and fade patterns and always gives receivers a chance to make the catch. True leader on the field and controls the offense.
Negative: At times holds the ball a little too long in the pocket. Played in a system where he primarily lined up in the shotgun formation with three or four receivers sets. Has a thin build and may struggle holding up against the rush at the next level.
Analysis: From the time he stepped on the field as a freshman Goff was an impact player who consistently improved his game. He very much reminds me of Peyton Manning during his junior season with his ability to improvise and accurately place his throws. Goff may need a bit of time before he's truly NFL ready but comes with great upside and should be a productive NFL quarterback if properly coached.
I would take Hundley over Goff.
1. JARED GOFF | California 6040|215 lbs|3JR Novato, Calif. (Marin Catholic) 10/14/1994 (age 21) #16
YEAR (GP/GS) CP-ATT CP% YDS TD INT CAR YDS AVG TD GRADE 1st Round 2013: (12/12) 320-531 60.3 3,508 18 10 59 -62 -1.1 1 MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 3/4 | Hand: 09 | Wingspan: 77 7/8 2014: (12/12) 316-509 62.1 3,973 35 7 55 -44 -0.8 0 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.82 | 10-YD: 1.65 | 20-YD: 2.71 | VJ: 27 | BJ: 09’02” | SS: 4.47 | 3C: 7.17 2015: (13/13) 341-529 64.5 4,719 43 13 56 -8 -0.1 0 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) Total: (37/37) 977-1,569 62.3 12,200 96 30 170 -114 -1.5 1
BACKGROUND: A four-star quarterback recruit out of high school, Goff committed to Cal (his father’s alma mater) early in the process, not giving any other program serious interest. He became the first true freshman in school history to start the season opener and started all 12 games in 2013, completing 60.3% of his passes for 3,508 yards, 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. Goff again started all 12 games in 2014 as a sophomore and improved his production with 62.1% completions for 3,973 passing yards, 35 touchdowns and seven interceptions, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors for the second straight year. He had a record-breaking season as a junior in 2015, setting new Pac-12 marks for passing yards (4,719) and passing touchdowns (43). He also posted a career-best 341 completions and 62.3% completions, earning First Team All-Pac 12 honors (first Cal quarterback to earn that honor since Aaron Rodgers in 2004). Goff decided to skip his senior season and enter the 2016 NFL Draft.
STRENGTHS: Good height for the position with the body type to add weight and fill out…outstanding feet, set-up quickness and release, displaying the lower body mechanics to easily come to balance and throw in rhythm – terrific pocket presence to float from pressure with his eyes downfield and buy extra half seconds…climbs the pocket with controlled steps…fundamentals don’t break down when the play does and capable of the correct spontaneous decision…cerebral passing instincts with a strong understanding of anticipation and timing, throwing receivers open…very good self-evaluator and learns from his mistakes…quick trigger and spins a pretty ball with the velocity to drive it and make all the necessary throws…improved eye use to hold defenders, keep the middle of the field open…very good placement to give his receivers a chance to catch-and-go with the touch to deliver tight-windowed throws between levels of the defense…sees the field well pre-snap to get a head start on his progressions…patient to work through his reads, feeling the rush, not looking at the rush…has the stones to stay tough in the pocket even with the hit coming…improved recognition skills pre-snap to identify pressures and find the hot route on blitzes…not a statue, showing enough athleticism to move the pocket and pick up yards as a rusher…trusts his teammates with a steady demeanor regardless of down-and-distance or what the scoreboard says – played behind a spotty offensive line and with receivers who had high drop rates…effective pooch punter, averaging 37.7 yards per punt (12/452), including six inside the opponents’ 20-yard line…two-year team captain (voted by his teammates) – ultra-reserved and laid back personality…athletic bloodlines – father (Jeff) was an AllAmerican baseball catcher at Cal and played seven seasons in MLB (1990-96)…started every game the last three seasons (37 career starts)…rewrote the Cal record book and holds 26 school records, including career passing yards (12,200), touchdown passes (96) and completions (977) – only the second Pac-12 passer to throw 3,000+ yards in each of his first three collegiate seasons.
WEAKNESSES: Currently lacks an ideal build for the position with thin legs…lacks a power arm to deliver stick throws without the aid of proper technique and body motion…deep ball accuracy is very inconsistent and makes his receivers work for it…bad habit of bypassing tight windows, looking for a “more open” target and holding the ball too long – internal clock is a work-in-progress…pressure can disrupt his tempo and decision-making, struggling when forced to quicken his release – can lose focus when rattled, leading to ill-advised throws…doesn’t consistently see all 11 defenders…shotgun, system offense, getting all the play-calls and audibles from the sideline – lacks experience making checks at the line of scrimmage based on his reads…has shown improvements with his ball security, but still an issue in college with average hand size and 23 career fumbles (10 in 2013, nine in 2014 and only four in 2015)…lean features leads to durability concerns – wears a heavy brace on left knee and separated his right throwing shoulder as a freshman (Dec. 2013), which required surgery…losing record as a starter in college (14-23)…too laid back according to several around the league with a blasé, non-engaging personality that will be a turn off for some.
This better not take fucking 10 minutes too.
http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/...B/Carson-Wentz
Carson Wentz
School: North Dakota State
Position: QB
Positive: Two-year starter awarded all-America honors as a junior. Posted 1651 yards passing and 17 TDs in 8 games last season when he missed half the year with a broken bone in his wrist. Junior totals included 3111 yards passing and 25 TDs. Smart, tough signal caller with tremendous upside. Consistent in all areas of the game. Stands strong in the pocket, displays good awareness and quickly locates the open wide out. Effectively reads the defense, remains poised under the rush and buys as much time as necessary for receivers. Effectively sets up screen passes, displays a sense of timing and does not have targets waiting on the ball. Throws with solid fundamentals, for the most part accurate and does not make receivers work hard to come away with the catch. Goes through progressions, will take the 2nd or 3rd option rather than force the ball into targets and does not have mental lapses. Possesses a big time arm, displays speed on all his throws but also puts touch on passes when necessary. Smooth rolling outside the pocket, keeps his eyes down the field and loses nothing on his throws. Spreads the ball around and uses all his receivers.
Negative: Does not do a good job sensing the backside rush. Throws with a wide base and is often high of the mark. Has limited starting experience on the small school level.
Analysis: Wentz was consistently productive under center at North Dakota State and possesses outstanding physical skills as well as mental wherewithal for the next level. He may need time before he's NFL ready and there will be bumps in the road but if properly coached Wentz should be a productive Sunday quarterback with a long career.
San Diego up. Buckner or Tunsil. Rivers got beat up last year. I'm thinking Tunsil.
2. CARSON WENTZ | North Dakota State 6052|237 lbs|5SR Bismarck, N.D. (Bismarck Central) 12/30/1992 (age 23) #11
YEAR (GP/GS) CP-ATT CP% YDS TD INT CAR YDS AVG TD GRADE 1st Round 2011: Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 1/4 | Hand: 10 | Wingspan: 78 3/4 2012: (8/0) 12-16 75.0 144 2 0 5 22 4.4 1 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.77 | 10-YD: 1.65 | 20-YD: 2.75 | VJ: 30.5 | BJ: 09’10” | SS: 4.15 | 3C: 6.86 2013: (11/0) 22-30 73.3 209 1 0 10 70 7.0 0 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) 2014: (16/16) 228-358 63.7 3,111 25 10 138 642 4.7 6 2015: (8/7) 130-208 62.5 1,651 17 4 63 294 4.7 6 Total: (43/23) 392-612 64.1 5,115 45 14 216 1,028 4.8 13
BACKGROUND: A no-star quarterback recruit, Wentz was vastly overlooked throughout the recruitment process because he played wide receiver and linebacker as a junior in high school (due to baseball injuries) before starting at quarterback as a senior in 2010. He received offers from a handful of FCS-level teams and Central Michigan (the only FBS program to recruit him) but Wentz stuck to his commitment to nearby North Dakota State, where his brother played baseball. After redshirting in 2011, he saw limited playing time as Brock Jensen’s back-up as a redshirt freshman and sophomore. Wentz became the starter in 2014 and led the Bison to the FCS National Title with 63.7% completions, 3,111 passing yards, 25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, earning All-America honors. He started the first six games as a senior before a throwing wrist injury sidelined him for the second half of the 2015 season, returning for the FCS National Championship Game. Wentz finished the season with 62.5% completions, 1,651 passing yards, 17 touchdowns and four interceptions. He accepted his invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl.
STRENGTHS: Looks the part with a tall, workable frame…above average arm strength to deliver downfield with required velocity – can make all the necessary NFL throws…tight release, especially for a player with his long arms…shifts his weight well in the pocket to work through the noise and keep his hand on the trigger, maneuvering under duress with improved footwork…functional athleticism in the pocket and as a scrambler, avoiding rushers and extending plays – throws well moving to his left and his right…has a pre-snap plan and moves efficiently from target-to-target, making sound decisions…shows the ability to recognize defensive coverages and blitzes, changing the play at the line – coaches put a lot on his plate, trusting him to make all protection calls and checks…reliable field vision pre and post snap…very smart on and off the field with excellent retention and execution skills – four-time All-Conference honor roll recipient (4.0 GPA) and unprecedented three-time recipient of the NCAA Elite 90 Award…physically and mentally tough with professional poise and work habits…great teammate and was an extra coach on the sideline while injured…set school single season records for completions (228) and passing yards (3,111) as a junior…consistent winner with a 20-3 career record as a starter and five-time FCS National Champion (twice as a starter).
WEAKNESSES: Locks onto reads with immature eye use, staring down targets and leading defenders…improved passing anticipation, but still developing his feel for timing routes – tick late and needs to speed up his reads…wide base and needs to improve his lower body efficiency…downfield and deep accuracy is inconsistent, leading or underthrowing…bad habit of pre-determining throws and forcing the ball into crowded coverage…needs to understand when the play is over and throw the ball away – 10 fumbles the last two years…on the move too much, even with a clean pocket, and will attempt throws without setting his base or coming to balance…lacks ideal starting experience for the position with questions about level of competition – 22 of 23 career starts came against FCS competition (one FBS opponent was at Iowa State: 18-for-28 for 204 yards, no touchdowns)…missed second half of 2015 season due to a broken right wrist, requiring surgery (Oct. 2015), but did return for the 2015 FCS Championship Game, leading his team to victory.
SUMMARY: A two-year starter, Wentz thrived in North Dakota State’s wide-open offense, taking snaps from under center and shotgun with several pro-style reads, including left-to-right and high-to-low progressions – didn’t consistently face top competition at the FCS level, but performed well in high pressure situations, including the 2014 and 2015 FCS National Championship Games (NDSU won both). He was only a 5-foot-8, 125 pound freshman in high school and didn’t start at quarterback until his senior year, causing him to go under-recruited (similar path as Ben Roethlisberger). Although his internal clock and eye use need maturing, Wentz performs well within structure with his strong arm and touch, but can also improvise when the play breaks down, stretching out his legs to pick up chunk yardage if it’s there (1,028 career rushing yards). He possesses a NFL-style skill-set with his size, athleticism and arm talent, including the field vision to work through reads and make sound decisions – the top senior passer in the 2016 draft class and ideally needs a redshirt rookie season in the NFL.
I would take Wentz over Hundley.
Yeah!!
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim Harmston
Boo!!!
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim Harmston
Tough crowd in here.
HOFer
i just don't get a guy who has only ever played against division 2 talent being #2 overall
sure he looks good on tape, he's playing against a bunch of guys who weren't good enough to be one of the 100 players on any of the 150 division 1 teams
huge jump up in talent from d-2 opponents to the nfl
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If the draft starts here why the hell is it 7:30pm CT?
http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/DE/Joey-Bosa
Joey Bosa
School: Ohio State
Position: DE
Positive: Three-year starter that's earned All-America honors since his freshman season. Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the Year in 2015 after 51 tackles, 16 tackles for loss and 5 sacks. Also intercepted one pass and broke up 4 more. Sophomore totals included 21 tackles for loss as well as 13.5 sacks. Dominant three down defensive end with tremendous upside. Fires off the snap with an explosive first step, breaks down well and plays with good pad level. Always on balance, rarely off his feet and displays excellent lateral movement skills. Quickly changes direction, pursues from the backside with speed and runs down ball handlers. Consistently plays with proper pad level, relentless up the field and strong. Knocks back bigger offensive tackles and keeps his feet and hands active throughout the action. Has opponents playing back on their heels, at times impossible to stop and a disruptive force that must be accounted for.
Negative: Occasionally takes it easy if the play's not in his immediate vicinity. Lacks great bulk and may struggle facing off against bigger offensive tackles at the next level.
Analysis: Bosa is a terrific combination of fundamentals, athleticism and natural power. He's a three down lineman with potential in a four-man front or certain one gap/three-man lines and should quickly break into the starting lineup as a rookie then immediately produce.
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