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  1. #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27 View Post
    My prediction for tonights Rounds 2 and 3 of the 2016 NFL Draft::

    Whatever TT does I think most of Packer Nation's first reactionary words will be one of these:

    a) Whhhhhaaaaat ..as in ...Whhhhhaaaaat the HELL !

    b) Yoooouuuuuuu....as in....Yoooouuuuuuu Dumb Ass !

    c) Fuuuuuuucccck ! .......... Red's neighbours will hear that scream.
    Incredibly, none of these things seemed to happen! Wist wasn't enthused, but he didn't even swear.
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    Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesehead Craig View Post
    With all the hoopla over ILB needs, I looked at 14 other teams that play the 3-4 and took a look at their starters (per the NFL depth chart). Here's where they came from:

    Rd 1 - 5 (Pittsburgh has 2 of them)
    Rd 2 - 8
    Rd 3 - 4
    Rd 4 - 1
    Rd 5 - 2
    Rd 6 - 1
    UDFA - 6

    So it seems the majority of the starters at ILB do come in the 1st or 2nd round. I'm surprised at the number of UDFA. But thought I would share this to help out with the discussion. This does not include the Packers, as I wanted to see where the rest of the league was. So it would appear that TT needs to put some more emphasis on those first 3 rounds for ILB. Betting on a later round or UDFA seems like hope, and hope is not a good strategy.

    The Packers ILB are a 4th and a 7th.

  3. #263
    NFL Draft Diamonds ‏@DraftDiamonds 27s27 seconds ago
    Deion Jones from LSU to Falcons

  4. #264
    LOL

    TJ Lang ‏@TJLang70 12m12 minutes ago
    Welcome Spriggs! I chew skoal wintergreen and like my coffee 2 creams, 2 sugars.

  5. #265
    Jets are just terrible at picking QB.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    Falcons:

    8. DEION JONES | LSU 6007|222 lbs|4SR New Orleans, La. (Jesuit) 11/4/1994 (age 21) #45
    YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 2nd-3rd Round 2012: (13/0) 23 3.0 0.0 0 0 0 MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 3/8 | Hand: 09 1/4 | Wingspan: 77 1/4 2013: (13/0) 15 1.0 0.0 0 0 0 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.59 | 10-YD: 1.60 | 20-YD: 2.67 | VJ: 33 | BJ: 10’00” 2014: (13/1) 27 3.5 0.0 0 1 0 PRO DAY 40-YD: 4.39 | 10-YD: 1.52 | 20-YD: 2.52 | BP: 16 | VJ: 35.5 | SS: 4.26 | 3C: 7.13 2015: (12/11) 100 13.5 5.0 1 5 2 Total: (51/12) 165 21.0 5.0 1 6 2

    BACKGROUND: A three-star linebacker recruit, Deion “Debo” Jones received interest from TCU, Arizona and several others, but LSU was his “dream school” and once Les Miles offered him, he committed to the Tigers – nicknamed “Debo” after his father’s favorite two athletes: Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson. He carved out a key special teams role as a true freshman with 23 tackles over 13 games, earning the Wild Tiger Trophy for the most special teams production. Jones was stuck behind Lamin Barrow on the depth chart as a sophomore and played all 13 games on special teams, recording 15 tackles. He was Kwon Alexander’s back-up in 2014 and earned his first start as a junior, finishing with 27 tackles and 3.5 tackles for loss. With Alexander off to the NFL, Jones took over the starting weakside linebacker job as a senior and led the team with 100 tackles and 13.0 tackles for loss, adding five passes defended and two interceptions. He accepted his invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl.

    STRENGTHS: Reliable reactive athleticism to go from A-to-B in a hurry…strong plant-and-drive burst once he sees it…plays with range and decisive strides to stick to tight ends and backs in coverage – even lined up at cornerback on some snaps…above average straight-line speed and lateral quickness for the position…active, but limits mistakes and plays patient, allowing plays to develop…high football I.Q. and understands his responsibilities…fierce hands to fight through blockers and find the ballcarrier, staying low and on his feet…physical tackler with aggressive limbs to finish…special teams standout due to his speed, vision and toughness – spent first three seasons primarily as special teams coverages, but didn’t gripe, maintaining a positive mindset…earned praise from his coaches for his ability and commitment to the team – (LSU head coach Les Miles: “He’s a very bright kid and one of the fastest guys on our team”).

    WEAKNESSES: Slender shoulders and waist for the position, lacking ideal build…too patient at times vs. the run, losing outside contain or allowing blockers to gain leverage…aggressive fighting through blocks, but take-on strength is average and needs to improve his shed strategy…lowers his eyes and loses his target at times as a tackler, which creates an inconsistent strike zone…needs to clean up his striking technique with a bad habit of leading with his helmet – ejected from 2015 Auburn game for targeting…ballskills are a work-in-progress…needs to improve his communication in coverage to prevent busts…only one season as a starter (12 career starts).

    SUMMARY: A one-year starter, Jones took over the weakside linebacker role as a senior in LSU’s 4-2-5 scheme, playing every down and on special teams – rarely left the field. He struggled to crack the starting line-up over his first three seasons in Baton Rouge, but stayed upbeat and controlled what he could, standing out on special teams coverages. Although undersized, Jones has fluid athleticism to play sideline-to-sideline and stay within arms-length of pass-catchers in coverage. He is football smart, but plays hesitant at times and doesn’t always trust what he sees due to his lack of defensive reps. Jones is at-worst a productive special teamer at the next level, but he also has starting potential in the right role due to his athleticism to cover the entire field vs. the pass and the run – top-64 draft pick.

  7. #267
    Sal Maiorana ‏@salmaiorana 2m2 minutes ago
    I think #Bills fans should be glad Hackenberg just got picked by the Jets because it means the Bills can't pick him. I still like Cook tho
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

  8. #268
    Looks like either Bell or Billings will be there for Vikings....maybe Cravens or Cody Whitehair

  9. #269
    can we get rid of barclay now please?

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    Ha HA - TJ Lang is a riot!!

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    NFL Draft Diamonds ‏@DraftDiamonds 9s10 seconds ago
    Su'a Cravens to Skins

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    Vikings on the clock - Vonn Bell? Me hopes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtheliquor View Post
    Just found this place Thursday afternoon actually. The previous place I had been going to has been a little over run with negativity, took a look around here and thought it seemed like a pretty level headed group so I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.
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    Redskins:

    4. SU’A CRAVENS | USC 6006|226 lbs|3JR Los Angeles, Ca. (Vista Murrieta) 7/7/1995 (age 20) #21
    YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 1st-2nd Round 2013: (13/13) 52 1.5 0.0 1 5 4 (SS) MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 1/8 | Hand: 09 1/2 | Wingspan: 78 2014: (13/13) 68 17.0 5.0 0 12 3 (SLB/SS) COMBINE BP: 16 | VJ: 27 | BJ: 09’06” 2015: (14/14) 86 15.0 5.5 2 8 2 (SLB/SS PRO DAY 40-YD: 4.66 | 10-YD: 1.58 | 2.68 | VJ: 30.5 | SS: 4.24 | 3C: 6.94 Total: (40/40) 206 33.5 10.5 3 25 9 PRONUNCIATION SOO-uh // CRAY-vuns

    BACKGROUND: A five-star safety recruit out of high school, Cravens was ranked as the top prep player in the state of California and received offers from every top program in the country, committing to USC the summer prior to his senior year. He started at strong safety as a true freshman and recorded 52 tackles and four interceptions, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention and numerous Freshman All-American honors. Cravens moved to a hybrid linebacker/safety role in 2014 as a sophomore and showed off his versatility by leading the team in tackles for loss (17.0) and interceptions (three), adding 68 tackles and 12 passes defended to earn First Team All-Pac 12 and All-America honors. He started all 14 games as a junior and led the Trojans in tackles (86), tackles for loss (15.0), sacks (5.5) and forced fumbles (two), earning First Team All-Pac 12 and All-America honors for the second straight year. Cravens elected to forego his senior season to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

    STRENGTHS: Fluid athlete for his size and flawlessly transfers his weight in his movements…explosive burst to beat blockers to the spot with controlled pursuit speed – sees through blockers to make the initial man miss and break down on the move…diagnoses quickly with an attacking mindset and reactive athleticism – high FBI, anticipation and sense of his surroundings…comfortable in space and can cover a lot of green, staying in phase with receivers in man coverage or making stops vs. the run in the backfield…great job leveraging blocks and will sacrifice himself to give his teammates a chance to make the play…savvy blitzer, avoiding the hands of blockers and using timing to penetrate…very good field awareness and takes correct pursuit angles…knack for making plays on the ball and creating after pick-offs, averaging 14.8 yards per interception return (9/133/1)…versatile skill-set and played all over the USC defense as a safety, linebacker or cornerback – also played on special teams coverages…team captain and praised by the coaches for the way he carries himself – eats, drinks and breathes football…strong-willed, but down-toearth and comfortable in his own skin…enjoys competition and toughness isn’t an issue…athletic bloodlines – brother (football) and sister (basketball) played athletics at Hawaii and he has multiple cousins who played football collegiately and now in the NFL, including tight end Jordan Cameron and linebacker Manti Te’o.

    WEAKNESSES: Lean-muscled and lacks an ideal build or growth potential for linebacker – appears maxed out physically…core strength doesn’t always match his intentions…improved fundamental tackler, but still undisciplined in areas and has some bad habits that will lead to missed tackles – tends to drop his head and isn’t a wrap, lift and drive player…can be engulfed by blockers and eaten up near the line of scrimmage, struggling to take on bigger bodies…aggressive nature will lead to negative plays, misreading zone read plays or overpursuing his target…played most of his USC career near the line of scrimmage and was rarely in the deep half of the field…positional fit is a question mark for some schemes…missed only one game the past three seasons, but parts of several others due to injuries, including a sore right elbow (Oct. 2015), sprained right knee (Nov. 2014) and groin injury (Oct. 2013) – missed part of 2013 spring practice after surgery for torn cartilage in his knee.

    SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Cravens began his career at strong safety before moving to a hybrid strongside linebacker position in the Trojans’ 3-4 base defense where he was asked to do a little bit of everything, playing mostly at the line of scrimmage. His take-on strength and physical nature as a tackler are both below average for the position, but he’s a fluid athlete with excellent reaction skills to can cover wide receivers on an island. Cravens’ best traits are his natural instincts to anticipate the play and always be around the ball – consistently in the right place at the right time and that’s not an accident. His positional fit in the NFL will vary by scheme with some viewing him as a strong safety and others as a weakside linebacker in a 4-3 base, but clever coordinators will figure out how to maximize his savvy instincts, cover skills and athleticism – top-40 prospect and will be a productive NFL player if schemed correctly.

  15. #275
    NFL Draft Diamonds ‏@DraftDiamonds 16s16 seconds ago View translation
    Vikings land CB Mac Alexander

    Works for me!

  16. #276
    Good pick Ras.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    Vikings:

    1. MACKENSIE ALEXANDER | Clemson 5103|190 lbs|3SO Immokalee, Fla. (Immokalee) 11/12/1993 (age 22) #2
    YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 1st Round 2013: Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 31 3/8 | Hand: 09 1/8 | Wingspan: 75 1/2 2014: (13/13) 21 2.0 0.0 0 6 0 COMBINE BP: 11 (limited workout due to left hamstring) 2015: (15/14) 23 2.0 0.0 0 5 0 PRO DAY 40-YD: 4.49 | 10-YD: 1.56 | 20-YD: 2.63 | VJ: 37.5 | BJ: 10’01” | SS: 4.21 | 3C: 7.18 Total: (28/27) 44 4.0 0.0 0 11 0

    BACKGROUND: A four-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Alexander initially verballed to Tennessee, but reopened his recruitment and committed to Clemson – twin brother committed to Auburn and is now at South Florida. After redshirting in 2013 due to a groin injury, Alexander earned a starting cornerback job as a redshirt freshman in 2014 (set a school record for snaps by a freshman) and recorded 21 tackles and six passes defended, earning Freshman All-America and All-ACC Honorable Mention honors. He started 14 games in 2015 as a sophomore and posted similar production with 23 tackles and five passes defended, earning First Team All-ACC honors. Alexander opted to forego his final two years of eligibility to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

    STRENGTHS: Quick-footed in his transition with the speed to match receivers off the line of scrimmage…fluid hips with the lower body muscle fibers to spring in any direction…nimble drive process to click-and-close…uses his body to cut off routes, understanding how to leverage the field and sideline…keeps an eye in the backfield to jump routes and intercept angles…highly physical for the position in both coverage and run support…very good high-to-low tackler downhill, throwing his body around…cocky, brash and plays with an attitude – loves to talk on the field and play mind games with receivers…applies coaching and is dedicated to honing his craft – already prepares like a pro…innately motivated and driven by his family – his fire for competition can’t be extinguished…battle tested over 27 starts, usually shadowing the opponent’s top receiving threat, lining up inside and outside – quarterbacks completed only 24.5% of passes in 2015 when targeting his receiver.

    WEAKNESSES: Lacks elite size and arm length for the position…played mostly press-bail technique in college, flipping his hips early in the play, causing him to get turned around instead of staying square to the receiver…not as comfortable in off-coverage and still developing his route anticipation and understanding of
    coverage indicators…struggles to locate the ball once he takes his eyes of the backfield and needs to improve his feel with his back to the ball…suspect ballskills and will leave production on the field – no interceptions at Clemson…throws his body around, but prefers to lead with his shoulder instead of wrapping up…loves to talk, but needs to keep his emotions under control…puts too much pressure on himself to be the best…marches to the beat of his own drum – guarded and idiosyncratic personality will be a turn off for some…minor durability concerns, redshirting in 2013 due to groin surgery (Sept. 2013) and missed most of the National Championship game due to a nagging right hamstring (Dec. 2015) from the Orange Bowl – missed parts of several games due to a knee sprain (Oct. 2015).

    SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Clemson, Alexander played mostly press-man coverage and was left on an island, relying primarily on bail technique. He didn’t record an interception in college, but wasn’t consistently targeted and didn’t give up a touchdown the last 24 games, dating back to September of his freshman season. Alexander smothers in man coverage due to his lower body fluidity and quick reflexes, but needs to improve his route anticipation, discipline and ballskills, especially in off coverage. He plays with contagious swagger and confidence to challenge any one, working hard to get in the head of wide receivers. Although still unpolished in several key areas, Alexander is wired right for the position and should start very early in his NFL career – not as big as Josh Norman, but similar skill-sets.

  18. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Good pick Ras.

    Not a huge need but super value and BPA.

  19. #279
    The Falcoholic ‏@TheFalcoholic 12m12 minutes ago
    Christian Hackenberg strengths: Has two arms
    Christian Hackenberg weaknesses: Doesn't throw well with either one


    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    NFL Draft Diamonds ‏@DraftDiamonds 24s24 seconds ago
    Boyd to Bengals

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