Round 2

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in the last 5 drafts, when we needed a starting quality ILB

we've spent a 6th a 5th a 6th a 7th a 4th (bradford may or not be an ILB) and another 4th last year

none of those have panned out, we need draft higher quality guys in the higher rounds. we HAVE to

[woodbuck27]

in the last 5 drafts, when we needed a starting quality ILB

we've spent a 6th a 5th a 6th a 7th a 4th (bradford may or not be an ILB) and another 4th last year

none of those have panned out, we need draft higher quality guys in the higher rounds. we HAVE to

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracke...ition-input:lb

Player Pos Ht Wt College Grade Watch

Jack, Myles OLB 6'1" 245 UCLA 7.3

Ragland, Reggie ILB 6'1" 247 Alabama 6.4



Cravens, Su'a OLB 6'1" 226 USC 5.8

Fackrell, Kyler OLB 6'5" 245 Utah St. 5.8

Jenkins, Jordan OLB 6'3" 259 Georgia 5.7

Jones, Deion OLB 6'1" 222 LSU 5.7



Wright III, Scooby ILB 6'0" 239 Arizona 5.5

Goodson, B.J. OLB 6'1" 242 Clemson 5.5

Brothers, Kentrell OLB 6'0" 245 Missouri 5.5

Brown, Jatavis OLB 5'11" 227 Akron 5.5



Schobert, Joe OLB 6'1" 244 Wisconsin 5.4

Ratelle, William ILB 5'10" 251 North Dakota 5.4

Smith, Jaylon OLB 6'2" 223 Notre Dame 5.4

Perry, Joshua ILB 6'4" 254 Ohio St. 5.4

Alexander, Dominique ILB 6'0" 232 Oklahoma 5.4




Wallace, Aaron OLB 6'3" 240 UCLA 5.3

Vigil, Nick ILB 6'2" 239 Utah St. 5.3

Norris, Jared ILB 6'1" 241 Utah 5.3

Weatherly, Stephen OLB 6'4" 267 Vanderbilt 5.3

Feeney, Travis OLB 6'4" 230 Washington 5.3

Striker, Eric OLB 5'11" 227 Oklahoma 5.3

Martinez, Blake ILB 6'2" 237 Stanford 5.3

Campbell, De'Vondre OLB 6'4" 232 Minnesota 5.2

Forrest, Josh ILB 6'3" 249 Kentucky 5.2

Williams, Antwione LB 6'3" 245 Georgia Southern 5.2

Longa, Steve OLB 6'1" 241 Rutgers 5.2

Smith, Terrance ILB 6'3" 235 Florida St. 5.2

Morrison, Antonio ILB 6'1" 232 Florida 5.2

Kwiatkoski, Nick ILB 6'2" 243 West Virginia 5.1

Kirby, Raphael ILB 6'0" 236 Miami 5.1

Daniels, Steven ILB 5'11" 243 Boston College 5.1

[3irty1]

I understand the trap we keep finding ourselves in. ILB are like RB of the defense. They can start as rookies and you can get one in the 4th that is 90% of what you can get in the late 1st after all the special talents are gone if there even are any.

A guy with some medical shit is an obvious risk but it is one way out of that trap. At the moment our roster is solid enough to take that risk IMO.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not many 3-4 ILBs go high though. There have been three 3-4 ILBs that have gone in the first 2 rounds in the last 2 years combined. 1st round picks Ryan Shazier and C.J. Mosley in 2014 and 2nd round pick Denzel Perryman in 2015. In a 3-4 defense the ILB might have the least priority for teams out of any position. Most of the time the second ILB isn't on the field half of the time.

[wist43]

Not many 3-4 ILBs go high though. There have been three 3-4 ILBs that have gone in the first 2 rounds in the last 2 years combined. 1st round picks Ryan Shazier and C.J. Mosley in 2014 and 2nd round pick Denzel Perryman in 2015. In a 3-4 defense the ILB might have the least priority for teams out of any position. Most of the time the second ILB isn't on the field half of the time.

You're missing a few guys there Harv...

Anthony went to the Saints in the 1st round last year. He was listed as an ILB, but moved to the strong side in their 4-3

McKinney, who I wanted last year, went to Houston with the 43rd pick of the 2nd round

Eric Kendricks went to the Vikings with the 45th pick in the 2nd round last year

All of those guys are better than anything we have on the roster now... and would have been as good a value as Randall. TT just doesn't much care about the position.

Dollars to donuts he ignores the position again tonight.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You're missing a few guys there Harv...

Anthony went to the Saints in the 1st round last year. He was listed as an ILB, but moved to the strong side in their 4-3

McKinney, who I wanted last year, went to Houston with the 43rd pick of the 2nd round

Eric Kendricks went to the Vikings with the 45th pick in the 2nd round last year

All of those guys are better than anything we have on the roster now... and would have been as good a value as Randall. TT just doesn't much care about the position.

Dollars to donuts he ignores the position again tonight.

None of those teams play a 3-4 defense. Hence, the reason that I said a 3-4 ILB is valued less than almost every other position in a 3-4 scheme. The record stands. Half the league plays a 3-4 defense, so there are about 32 starting ILBs in a 3-4 defense and only 3 ILBs were drafted by 3-4 teams in the first two rounds the last two years combined.

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None of those teams play a 3-4 defense. Hence, the reason that I said a 3-4 ILB is valued less than almost every other position in a 3-4 scheme. The record stands. Half the league plays a 3-4 defense, so there are about 32 starting ILBs in a 3-4 defense and only 3 ILBs were drafted by 3-4 teams in the first two rounds the last two years combined.

so about 20% of the teams that play 3-4 have drafted an ILB in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years?

[HarveyWallbangers]

so about 20% of the teams that play 3-4 have drafted an ILB in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years?

Half of the teams in the league play 3-4 base defense. It was actually more than half a year or two ago, but I didn't keep close tabs on the coaching changes. At one point it was 10 or fewer teams.

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Not many 3-4 ILBs go high though. There have been three 3-4 ILBs that have gone in the first 2 rounds in the last 2 years combined. 1st round picks Ryan Shazier and C.J. Mosley in 2014 and 2nd round pick Denzel Perryman in 2015. In a 3-4 defense the ILB might have the least priority for teams out of any position. Most of the time the second ILB isn't on the field half of the time.

then by your rational, you HAVE to trade for one or sign a free agent. we can't just keep on going with the same shit

but i think wist is right, TT just doesn't think ILBs are all that important, even though we all know its the position that always seems to let us down the most in crunch time

[Joemailman]

Draft Insider has this guy rated #52 overall. Could be a TT kind of pick.

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/...Cody-Whitehair

Cody Whitehair
School: Kansas State
Position: G

Positive: Four-year starter awarded all-Conference honors since his sophomore season. Spent the past two years at left tackle after lining up at right tackle and guard early in his Kansas State career. Gifted offensive line prospect with the versatility to be used at several positions. Blocks with consistent leverage, pad level and effective with his hands. Makes good use of angles, body positioning and does not back down to a challenge. Patient in pass protection, plays smart football yet also blocks with a nasty attitude. Moves relatively well on his feet and fluid if asked to pull across the line scrimmage then block in motion. Fundamentally sound, intelligent and always willing to help out teammates.

Negative: Lacks classic left tackle height. Has short arms. Occasionally overextends in the blocks. Performed poorly at the combine.

Analysis: Whitehair was a consistent performer on the college level and ranks as one of the best guards in this year's draft. He has the versatility to line up at several positions and is NFL ready with a good degree of upside.

[woodbuck27]

Draft Insider has this guy rated #52 overall. Could be a TT kind of pick.

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/...Cody-Whitehair

Cody Whitehair
School: Kansas State
Position: G

Positive: Four-year starter awarded all-Conference honors since his sophomore season. Spent the past two years at left tackle after lining up at right tackle and guard early in his Kansas State career. Gifted offensive line prospect with the versatility to be used at several positions. Blocks with consistent leverage, pad level and effective with his hands. Makes good use of angles, body positioning and does not back down to a challenge. Patient in pass protection, plays smart football yet also blocks with a nasty attitude. Moves relatively well on his feet and fluid if asked to pull across the line scrimmage then block in motion. Fundamentally sound, intelligent and always willing to help out teammates.

Negative: Lacks classic left tackle height. Has short arms. Occasionally overextends in the blocks. Performed poorly at the combine.

Analysis: Whitehair was a consistent performer on the college level and ranks as one of the best guards in this year's draft. He has the versatility to line up at several positions and is NFL ready with a good degree of upside.

This stood out to me:

" has short arms ".....so ...

Absolutely Ted Thompson may well be all over that guy.

[wist43]

Predict that TT will trade out of the 3rd round... just to make Packer fans wait around for a bunch of nothing - vintage Ted

[woodbuck27]

Predict that TT will trade out of the 3rd round... just to make Packer fans wait around for a bunch of nothing - vintage Ted

My prediction for tonights Rounds 2 and 3 of the 2016 NFL Draft::

Whatever TT does I think most of Packer Nation's first reactionary words will be one of these:

a) Whhhhhaaaaat ..as in ...Whhhhhaaaaat the HELL !

b) Yoooouuuuuuu....as in....Yoooouuuuuuu Dumb Ass !

c) Fuuuuuuucccck ! .......... Red's neighbours will hear that scream.

[Guiness]

My prediction for tonights Rounds 2 and 3 of the 2016 NFL Draft::

Whatever TT does I think most of Packer Nation's first reactionary words will be one of these:

a) Whhhhhaaaaat ..as in ...Whhhhhaaaaat the HELL !

b) Yoooouuuuuuu....as in....Yoooouuuuuuu Dumb Ass !

c) Fuuuuuuucccck ! .......... Red's neighbours will hear that scream.

Incredibly, none of these things seemed to happen! Wist wasn't enthused, but he didn't even swear.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Danny Trevathan ILB, who everyone wanted us to sign as an UFA, was a 6th round pick.

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Danny Trevathan ILB, who everyone wanted us to sign as an UFA, was a 6th round pick.

there are gems. but TT doesn't seem to be able to find the ILB gems, kinda like how he sucks at picking d-line

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tonights 5 minutes per pick right?

[Rastak]

tonights 5 minutes per pick right?

That might be third round.

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That might be third round.

this is gonna take forever

pick is in, announce it

been 12 fucking minutes already

[Rastak]

9. EMMANUEL OGBAH | Oklahoma State 6042|273 lbs|4JR Houston, Texas (George Bush) 11/6/1993 (age 22) #38
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF GRADE 2nd Round 2012: Redshirted MEASUREABLES Arm: 35 1/2 | Hand: 10 | Wingspan: 83 7/8 2013: (13/0) 20 5.5 4.0 0 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.63 | 10-YD: 1.58 | 20-YD: 2.68 | BP: 20 | VJ: 35.5 | BJ: 10’01” | SS: 4.50 | 3C: 7.26 2014: (13/13) 49 17.0 11.0 1 PRO DAY SS: 4.58 2015: (13/13) 64 17.5 13.0 3 PRONUNCIATION AWG-buh Total: (39/26) 133 40.0 28.0 4

BACKGROUND: A three-star defensive end recruit out of high school, Ogbah collected a dozen scholarship offers, choosing Oklahoma State over Houston, Arizona and Texas Tech – still new to the game and raw out of high school. After redshirting in 2012, he played in 13 games as a redshirt freshman reserve, collecting 20 tackles and 4.0 sacks. Ogbah started all 13 games in 2014 as a sophomore and was named Big 12 Defensive Linemen of the Year with 17.0 tackles for loss and 11.0 sacks, earning First Team All-Big 12 and Defensive Team MVP honors. He returned in 2015 as a junior and became the first Oklahoma State player to earn Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year honors, recording 64 tackles, 17.5 tackles for loss, 13.0 sacks and three forced fumbles. Ogbah also earned unanimous First Team All-Big 12 honors. He decided to skip his final season of eligibility to enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Built well for the position with proportionate bulk and long arms…easy release out of his stance with outstanding body control and lower body flexibility to dip around the corner without slowing his momentum…low, powerful lean into blockers with an improved sense of leverage…balanced to keep his feet with loose joints to smoothly change directions…easy lateral quickness to cross the face of blockers, drop in space or move up and down the line of scrimmage…strong hands to generate push and rip through blocks, not allowing blockers to dictate his path…physical tackler and uses his entire body to finish – improved run defender…disciplined player and trusts his coaching – not the loudest player on the team, but a strong lead-by-example type…never shuts it down with outstanding hustle to chase down plays from behind – a lot of effort-based production…reliable personal character and family values, not a player you have to worry about away from the facility…has special teams experience…highly productive and first player in school history to be named Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year (2015).

WEAKNESSES: Methodical speed and explosive traits for the position…still learning how to string together pass rush moves and connect the dots…flashes violence in his hands, but needs to better lock out to control the point of attack and move blockers from their spot…can be slowed at contact and needs to improve his shed technique to keep his rush from stalling…hand tactics and creativity off the ball lack polish…needs to better break down when on the move, overrunning the pocket or sliding off ballcarriers.

SUMMARY: A two-year starter, Ogbah lined up at both right and left defensive end in Oklahoma State’s 4-3 base, primarily in a three-point stance and occasionally standing up off the edge – leaves Stillwater with 28.0 sacks and 40.0 tackles for loss, both rank top-five all-time in school history. Born and raised in Lagos, Nigeria, Ogbah moved to Houston at the age of nine in 2004 along with his family for the opportunity at a better life. He is a “coach’s dream” according to Cowboys head coach Mike Gundy due to strong work ethic and discipline that were instilled in him at a young age – very bright on and off the field. Ogbah is still learning the complexities of the position and lacks elite explosiveness, but he’s a balanced athlete for his size with the physicality and coachable mentality that can be molded in the NFL – top-50 prospect who projects as a NFL starter in a four-man front.