Mad, you are right...don't want to wish injury.....I think he really means to say...............Originally Posted by MadtownPacker
Devonte Adams......is CUT
I'll second that..
Mad, you are right...don't want to wish injury.....I think he really means to say...............
Devonte Adams......is CUT
I'll second that..
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
I have to pat more attention to Devonte Adams.
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Easy answer to the question:
Yoko dumps Rodgers for some Hollywood Dbag and he takes it out on the NFL.
Repped!
Hey who locked this thread? Good discussion. Did I miss something?
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I'll take Green Bay to win the division. I think the offense will rebound with Jordy and Montgomery back, Adams healthy, Cook added, and hopefully a healthier and/or deeper OL.
I've been going over rosters, and Seattle has some glaring holes. They will likely have 3 new OL. One of them is J'Marcus Webb. The other two will be rookies that I considered raw (Ifedi, Odhiambo) or a decent backup last year. The two holdovers, Garry Gilliam and Justin Britt, are moving to new positions. Gilliam was a below average RT and he's moving to LT. Britt was probably their best OL, and you'd classify him as slightly above average. He's moving to OC. They've lost Marshawn Lynch. Thomas Rawls and Jimmy Graham are coming off serious injuries and are iffy for week 1. They'll still be tough to beat because they have Russell Wilson and a great defense, but the defense has lost some good players the last couple of years (Bruce Irvin this year). Their depth is lacking (except on the DL), so there's little competition. Their backup QB is UDFA Trevone Boykin. Provided Carson Palmer stays healthy, I think Arizona will win that division again. Carolina is due for a hangover season. My early prediction is Arizona to win the NFC, Green Bay to win the division and contend, Minnesota to get a playoff spot. They are solid. I just don't like their QB much.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
Harv bringing the goods like usual.
This is a statement year for the Pack. If they go 9-7 (I don't see that at all APRH) I'd look for some fairly serious change.
Losses: B.J. Raji
Gains: Nelson, Cook, Monty, hopefully a revitalized Lacy, a healthy Cobb & Adams, Barrington, the first-second year development of the young and gifted defensive backs and Ryan, new young talent to add depth an numerous positions of need...
You have to include Neal and Hayward as losses. Both played a lot. Jones was their leading receiver in both yards and TDs. While he doesn't feel like much of a loss, he has to be included. For that matter, Kuhn should be included, too. GB does uses a FB often, and Ripkowski played only a handful of plays.
The only way Neal is a loss is if Perry goes down - which is obviously a possibility. Hayward contributed very little last year - nothing I'd say - that his replacement isn't almost a certainty to fulfill - at far lower cost.
I don't see how any of those guys mentioned are realistically losses at this point. In all of those cases, I'd say the odds are high that the guy who takes those snaps (APRH again) brings equal or greater value.
I misunderstood. I thought your lists were quantitative identifications of loses and gains, not a qualitative analysis.
Following your initial comment, if Lacy is listed as "hopefully" a gain, Neal and Hayward should be identified as "hopefully" not losses. Hayward was the nickel back, his replacement (Rollins?) is unproven. Didn't one of the advanced stats sites have Hayward among the league leaders in some metric, QB rating against, or something like that? About Neal I am undecided; however, he was the starter even in Perry's healthiest year so far. I liked how Perry played in the playoffs, but I'm not sure we can assume Neal won't be missed..
McGinn actually gave Rollins a higher grade.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...366332901.html
CASEY HAYWARD: Played 88.1% of the downs, providing a steadying influence for the rookies and usually being where he was supposed to be. The Packers normally would re-sign him, but with all the young prospects at cornerback they're probably not going to make a legitimate offer. After allowing eight plays of 20 yards or more from 2012-'14, he gave up too many (nine) this year. Hayward isn't physical in the bump zone and is susceptible outside on take-off routes. He tied for third in tackles with 88, but also led the team in misses with 14. He failed to intercept a pass, and with only nine passes broken up in 1,048 snaps he was last in PBUs with one every 116.4. His ability to find the ball might have waned due to numerous hamstring injuries and a stress fracture in his foot. Grade: C-minus.QUINTEN ROLLINS: It took until mid-season before Rollins gained full health and was able to move past Hyde in the nickel defense. Later, when Sam Shields missed 4 1/2 games, he played extensively at right cornerback. In all, he played 30% and offered promise of an outstanding future. He's a hitter, a ball-hawk and a rugged, effective blitzer. Of the seven cornerbacks, his rate of passes defensed (one every 35.7 snaps) and his rate of tackles (one every 9.9 snaps) both ranked No. 1. He dropped four interceptions, too. Grade: C.
I think that was PFF and it was a head scratcher. He allowed a number of completions as he chased crossing routes across the middle. Not entirely his fault as the defense is designed in such a way to make that an effective counter, but he wasn't doing much other than tackling well on those.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
APRH, Perry can definitely be better than Neal on the LOS. However, I would love to have Elliot develop into Neal lite, for backup and flexibility in coverage. Not to mention he has good hands in the pass rush.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
The main thing Perry has to do is stay healthy. I think the rest for him will follow if he just stays healthy.
Good call on Lacy, Vince. No predictions, just hope, that in a contract year he can come back more svelte and speedy, a la Le'Veon Bell after his rookie season. They are not the same back, but I still think Lacy's footwork is good enough that with a reconditioned body, and being hungry, in a different way, for a big pay day, I think he can be a key component. Lacy effort can help win the down and distance battle and keep the defense guessing on third and manageable.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
I see basically everything on offense being better. Better speed at WR and TE, better productivity at RB with a more svelte Lacy. Also, MM taking over the offense after delegating too much to assistants will be a big improvement. All this should help Rodgers return to his previous form.
On defense, Raji is a loss, but Clark should be able to help there. The secondary should be better because the rookies they relied extensively last year aren't rookies anymore. The linebacker situation is a little unsettled, but adding Martinez and getting back Barrington helps at ILB. Overall, not a ton of difference than last year.
I pretty much agree with Vince. Not all departures are losses. I think TT does a pretty good job of figuring out who to keep and who to let go.
Listening to national talk radio last week and they thought the teams most likely not to repeat as division champs were MN and Wash.
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim Harmston
Ya, I'm not ready to concede the division to MN. I think they will be a good team, but I'm not sure it will be more than "good". In 2015, their opponents out gained them in yardage, had more offensive plays, and while trailing in rushing yardage, their opponents averaged a solid 4.3/carry. There was and is a lot of hype about Stefon Diggs, but he remains unproven in my opinion. I think he sort of took people by surprise, with 25 of his 52 receptions for the year coming in the first four games that he played, and in those games he had 419 of his 720 yards. I'm not suggesting that he will bust by any means, but I'm not yet worried about playing against him. The same with Bridgewater. Bridgewater has been solid, but Peterson is what makes their offense go.
If you listen to some MN fans they think their defense is he second coming of the '85 Bears.They think we are in decline and they are a shoe-in for the NFCN. Last year it took a poor season by Rodgers and our offense for them to win the division and they had to win the last game of the year to do so. Bridgewater is jag and you have to wonder when Father Time will finally catch up with AP.
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