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    They aren't good pugger, but none of the other nfce teams have much d either.

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    Many of Jerry's best decisions lately have been the ones he has left to Stephen to make. Including most of his stellar offensive line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Many of Jerry's best decisions lately have been the ones he has left to Stephen to make. Including most of his stellar offensive line.
    Yep. Jerruh no longer is the GM of the Cowboys. He's handed that duty off to his son...and his son is a much better GM (i.e. trusts the scouts/board, doesn't let ego get in the way) at making good value picks. The growth in depth on their roster in the last 2-3 years is entirely the result of Stephen taking over those responsibilities.
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    Should be an interesting division. Nobody plays defense in this division. With Romo I give Dallas a slight edge (but how long will he last) over Washington and the Giants.
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    I like the direction that Philadelphia is headed, but they are probably two years away. Chip Kelly damaged that franchise. I was impressed with Wentz in their first preseason game--even though his stats were ordinary.
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    Pederson got Wentz hurt by playing him very late in the 4th with the scrubs. Given all they gave up to get him, it was monumentally stupid. A five for two trade of picks which includes NEXT years number 1 and they played him with 4 minutes left in the first preseason game.

    Idiots.
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    I figured defending Jerry Jones would bring that kind of response. Just the same, he has done a good job of team building. Their O Line is second to none which is gonna make Morris have a good year even if Elliot doesn't. Jones resisted the hype to draft a QB early or to sign a retread. Their D is more than decent in the front seven. They have had bad luck with injuries among the DBs, but I expect my second favorite team to be one of the toughest on the Packer schedule and a clear top team in the fairly lame NFC East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    I figured defending Jerry Jones would bring that kind of response. Just the same, he has done a good job of team building. Their O Line is second to none which is gonna make Morris have a good year even if Elliot doesn't. Jones resisted the hype to draft a QB early or to sign a retread. Their D is more than decent in the front seven. They have had bad luck with injuries among the DBs, but I expect my second favorite team to be one of the toughest on the Packer schedule and a clear top team in the fairly lame NFC East.
    So their actual performance over the last 20 years means nothing??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    So their actual performance over the last 20 years means nothing??
    He's owned the team for 27 years - starting from a deep hole. You conveniently want to only consider the last 20? They have been up and down, a net of about .500 - a helluva lot of teams have done worse - and that's with more than their share of bad luck with injuries.

    Regarding the son taking over, make no mistake who still holds the power and has the final say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    He's owned the team for 27 years - starting from a deep hole. You conveniently want to only consider the last 20? They have been up and down, a net of about .500 - a helluva lot of teams have done worse - and that's with more than their share of bad luck with injuries.

    Regarding the son taking over, make no mistake who still holds the power and has the final say.
    If more Rats had Tex's attitude about what constitutes success for an NFL GM, there would be far fewer calls for Ted Thompson's head. If Jerry Jones is out-GM-ing most GM's, then Ted is truly a God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    He's owned the team for 27 years - starting from a deep hole. You conveniently want to only consider the last 20? They have been up and down, a net of about .500 - a helluva lot of teams have done worse - and that's with more than their share of bad luck with injuries.
    As I wrote when I looked at the last 20 years, I did it because those are the years of salary cap football. As I said originally, he had success when he could simply outspend other teams, because there was no salary cap. Since he has had deal with a hard salary cap, he is basically a .500 GM. You can't excuse 20 years by "bad luck". He is a ho hum gm under the constraints of a salary cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    As I wrote when I looked at the last 20 years, I did it because those are the years of salary cap football. As I said originally, he had success when he could simply outspend other teams, because there was no salary cap. Since he has had deal with a hard salary cap, he is basically a .500 GM. You can't excuse 20 years by "bad luck". He is a ho hum gm under the constraints of a salary cap.
    Interesting theory, but I doubt it's true. Jerry Jones barely had the money to scrape together and buy the Cowboys for a bargain price. He more resembled George Halas than say Paul Allen or Lamar Hunt. The team made a lot of money, and the franchise got a lot more valuable, hence he is probably filthy rich now, but I doubt even now that he has the money of some other owners who had billions before buying teams.
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    All the more reason he didn't have big money to throw around in the pre-cap era as you implied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    All the more reason he didn't have big money to throw around in the pre-cap era as you implied.
    But he did. The Cowboys were the Yankees of the NFL, outspending most everyone, as I recall.
    As I said, it was Jones' Cowboys that drove home the need for a salary cap.

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    Jerry spent a lot of his wealth acquiring the Cowboys, that is true. but he did it by taking on an incredible amount of debt.

    He serviced that debt by doing everything he could to turn every fan interaction into a turnstile charging admission. Also he was a leader in naming rights and sponsorships.

    He violated League dictates about local sponsorships that competed with national ones (League was sponsored by Coke, Cowboys Stadium by Pepsi). One of young lackey Roger Goodall's first jobs was to negotiate with Jerry over this conflict of sponsorships. In a sign of future hand kowtowing, Goodell convinced the League to go along with the local deals.

    Everything you can think of Dan Snyder doing to charge his pubic and fans (and the Packers are headed this way too), Jerry was doing first. Danny excels at it giving his marketing background and Robert Kraft probably has executed the best, but Jerry got there first.

    And given the cash windfall he was now reaping, he and the 49ers spent a LOT of money in the new cap era (early to mid 90s). They were the teams that everyone thought would break the rest of the League. But eventually the cap accountants caught up to them and extracted a pound of flesh. Jerry went nearly cap broke trying to keep the triplets together with Deion, but he never was not shy on spending cash for players.
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    Also need help, thesaurus failed me (or I failed in using said thesaurus).

    Wanted to use a term for paying a price or penalty through a costly and dearly held mean. I think it often includes the idea of "a pound of flesh", which I had to substitute in the above post.

    Its a term that I believe with origins in religious principles. Closely related to penance, but this word would be more specifically tied to the idea of a transaction, a giving up of one thing to another person. Probably also tied to reformation, Luther and the Catholic Church. Its going to drive me nuts for a couple of hours, maybe someone here can help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Also need help, thesaurus failed me (or I failed in using said thesaurus).

    Wanted to use a term for paying a price or penalty through a costly and dearly held mean. I think it often includes the idea of "a pound of flesh", which I had to substitute in the above post.

    Its a term that I believe with origins in religious principles. Closely related to penance, but this word would be more specifically tied to the idea of a transaction, a giving up of one thing to another person. Probably also tied to reformation, Luther and the Catholic Church. Its going to drive me nuts for a couple of hours, maybe someone here can help.
    Retribution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    Retribution?
    Nope, not exactly. Close cousin perhaps. Paying a tribute (forced compensation of some sort) would come closer. But the term I have in mind is almost always used in active sense against the payer. Very similar to extracting a pound of flesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Also need help, thesaurus failed me (or I failed in using said thesaurus).

    Wanted to use a term for paying a price or penalty through a costly and dearly held mean. I think it often includes the idea of "a pound of flesh", which I had to substitute in the above post.

    Its a term that I believe with origins in religious principles. Closely related to penance, but this word would be more specifically tied to the idea of a transaction, a giving up of one thing to another person. Probably also tied to reformation, Luther and the Catholic Church. Its going to drive me nuts for a couple of hours, maybe someone here can help.

    So let's look at this word mathematically :

    Paying a costly price for something held dear + a pound of flesh + giving up something to another person + a few nuts = ?

    Could the word you are looking for be "sacrifice" ?

    If I'm correct , as a reward I would like to gain a bit of future kindness maybe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radagast View Post
    So let's look at this word mathematically :

    Paying a costly price for something held dear + a pound of flesh + giving up something to another person + a few nuts = ?

    Could the word you are looking for be "sacrifice" ?

    If I'm correct , as a reward I would like to gain a bit of future kindness maybe ?
    In the ball park here. But a sacrifice would be a dear price to pay for something you wish (often the sacrifice is someone or something else). My search is something you must pay but in most circumstances you would wish to avoid. You have done or achieved something you desired despite what it will now cost.
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