1. These comments from Josh Sitton seem to suggest there is:
Starts around the 5:45 mark
http://media.1057fmthefan.com/a/1123...e-big-show.htm
2. On Inside the NFL, Esaison said that if the Packers get beat badly on Sunday, McCarthy will be gone. (Sorry, don't have a link, it was on TV)
3. Chmura on his radio show said that McCarthy and Rodgers aren't on speaking terms right now.
Offense running at less than usual capacity (by a striking amount) and opinions differ about how to fix it?
Color me shocked.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
For weeks now my brother has been insisting this is the case. If #3 is correct, it would be news and might stem from Stubby's inept handling of the Clements play-calling experiment.Originally Posted by RonWolfGOAT
A disappointing way to piss away a season.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
2. Not a chance. What is Esiason's source?
3. They have to talk during game planning meetings. What is Chumura's Source?
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Boomer's source is a guy he met in a bar who knew another guy who heard it from a former neighbor of Jim Taylor.
Chumura's source is a teenage girl he met in a hot tub.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
Maybe it has something to do with McCarthy's almost manic push toward a run first approach - a wrongheaded idea IMO. Replacing Clement could be construed as a slap at Rodgers - who Clement supposedly gave more leeway to. I wouldn't be opposed to a lot of run plays if we had a decent O Line, but as it is, runs into the line are mostly wasted plays that basically put more pressure on the QB to pass on 2nd or 3rd and long. pass pass pass pass - 5 to 10 times, then run rarely as a change of pace - that's the way to go. You can have variety just by different types of pass plays. We have had crappy O Line play for years now, and for the most part, Rodgers can escape and pass with success anyway.
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Except when he can't and is sacked 5-10 times per game. I suppose Rodgers could be pissed at Stubby for the run-heavy offense, because Rodgers enjoys getting the shit kicked out of him with backup tackles, but somehow I suspect not. Especially since Rodgers is even more reticent to run himself lately. Maybe he is protecting his photographic memory for the long term. Couldn't say I blame him, but that runs totally counter to hating Stubby for calling more runs.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Time to call for refrigerator delivery and some inside info. Put a small red flag in a potted plant on your stoop.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
There are only so many appliances you can buy in a year - and only so many appliance delivery guys who know players on the team. It really is an exclusive community, but they do like to talk when given the chance.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Yeah, but passing on early downs makes the sacks less likely. Also, the Arizona game was a bit of an aberration. Most of the time, Rodgers avoids the sacks against other teams. Last week when we FINALLY went pass first late in the game - even when it was expected because of the score, things went a LOT better. It's a damn shame it took necessity and about 3 quarters for McCarthy to come to that conclusion.
Relating to this possible conflict between McCarthy and Rodgers, I suspect that somebody, maybe McCarthy, is stupidly telling Rodgers (just like some people in forums) to not be so cautious and throw it into traffic sometimes. If I was Rodgers, that would piss me off.
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Rodgers has been sacked 46 times this year, the third highest in the league. He has been under duress on 33% of dropbacks, the 5th highest in the league.
The passing offense has looked good late in the game a few times.....Sunday vs Minn, at Carolina. The common denominator is that we were down 2+ scores in those cases.
The offense's best chance to succeed is to go run heavy. If Rodgers is pissed they aren't passing more then he's an idiot.
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I think it goes back to last year's NFCCG. Rodgers was clearly upset that MM took the ball out of his hands on the last possession. I think it's carried over to this year. I don't know how much it's contributed to this year's poor offensive performance, but you'd like for the coach and QB to be on the same page.
I think this is one part of the disconnect. Offensive lineman always think the answer is running the ball.
Sitton calls for 30 combined rushing attempts for Lacy, Starks
But it begs the question of playing from behind. You don't get to 30 carries unless you have a lead late, which they have not had. And for most of the year, they have really struggled to run the ball. Starks has been better than Lacy in all but maybe 2 games. The line hasn't been dominant in run blocking since Barclay and Bach were rookies."Obviously, some games dictate otherwise," Sitton said. "I think to be successful we've got to be able to do that."
So again we have public comments from a team with a struggling offense that differs in what direction they should point to shake off the disappointment. But none of their options are game changers. They need to play error free on offense, both from turnovers and penalties to keep drives alive.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
They might get to 30 carries more often if the OL could knock a DL off the ball on 3rd and short once in a while.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
I heard Rodgers is pissed at the OL because Sitton wants to take the ball out of his hands.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
Right facts, wrong conclusion. think about it, we were able to pass effectively even 2+ score down - desperation time when everybody expected passes. So why would you say we should go back to what got us in those holes in the first place? Pass early; Pass often. I think Rodgers knows that and can't stand the tight leash on him. One of the commentators said last week, they are treating him like he's a second year QB.
I haven't said a bad word about McCarthy up to now, but if we are gonna salvage much of anything this season and get back to the top or near it next season, he will either have to go back to what put the Packers on top before - a pass first attack or just get the hell outta town.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
But how much of that is Defenses playing back and trying to bleed clock? Allowing the Packers to continue drives with pass plays where previously they were coming after him with pressure, trying to get the ball out early while they are in press coverage?
I agree that the run game, no matter what Sitton says, is not going to rush successfully enough to sustain enough drives to score an acceptable number of points.
But I think pass wacky represents a real risk to this version of the team. This limited, they need to be balanced. At least balanced enough that play action or pistol gives them an edge they can exploit in the pass game.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Packer had to run before to get teams out of 2-high safety. Now they need to run to get teams cheating up to stop the run. But that's still not enough, because the Packers almost need 2TE to run. So one answer is a passing game out of the run formation featuring two tight ends, featuring Rodgers and Q.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
I feel like there is a rift between us.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
They were able to pass effectively in those games because the D called off the hounds and sat back in a prevent. We've seen it happen 100 times from the reverse vantage point....Packers would get up big, defense would give up big yards in the 4th and a few scores, everyone would complain how MM and Capers weren't aggressive enough.
Even in those games where we have thrown effectively late, they still haven't been able to punch it in when it matters.
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