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    I'm good with this. Perhaps they'll retrench a bit and build more value into their delivery for more hardcore consumers rather than dumbing it down in a never-ending attempt to expand the market of casual fans upon whom the greatest aspects of the game are almost entirely lost.

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    MNF lost a lot of luster for me when it went to ESPN. Even more so now that I don't have a cable or satellite service. I definitely agree that fewer people care about the"primetime" games on Monday and Thursdays. I just don't care to watch two crap teams play each other. Even the better matchups have lost their appeal on me to some degree.

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    I think you're seeing the decline of the inflated interest that was generated by pushing fantasy football. Just like any other game, though, people move on, and there were a lot of people more invested in games because they had a fantasy stake in a player or two. Fuck, for the past few years, a majority of pre and post game shows were dealing almost exclusively with "fantasy" stats instead of analyzing what those stats meant to the team and their real future.

    Combine that with people watching in less traditional ways, and you have a "decline," which I think is simply an end to a boost created by a very successful multi-year marketing tool. I do think there will a longer term slump, as focusing on individual players broke a lot of fans' "loyalty" to specific teams, and football was about the last major sport where team was still the focus. They may need some of those old NFL film type propaganda pieces to start rebuilding the image of what football should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket View Post
    I think you're seeing the decline of the inflated interest that was generated by pushing fantasy football. Just like any other game, though, people move on, and there were a lot of people more invested in games because they had a fantasy stake in a player or two. Fuck, for the past few years, a majority of pre and post game shows were dealing almost exclusively with "fantasy" stats instead of analyzing what those stats meant to the team and their real future.

    Combine that with people watching in less traditional ways, and you have a "decline," which I think is simply an end to a boost created by a very successful multi-year marketing tool. I do think there will a longer term slump, as focusing on individual players broke a lot of fans' "loyalty" to specific teams, and football was about the last major sport where team was still the focus. They may need some of those old NFL film type propaganda pieces to start rebuilding the image of what football should be.
    I had a co-worker several years ago who talked football non-stop. He was an avid fantasy player. Week 17 of the season, and I see him in the cafeteria. We're engaging in small talk and he says "What are you doing this Sunday now that football is over?" , I said "You nuts? With a few playoff spots on the line it's gonna be great!", he said "Oh, once the fantasy year ends I'm done".

    I was seriously thinking WTF. You can't possibly be serious, but he clearly was.

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    Sports are deadly boring unless you really get deeply engaged and learn about the tendencies of individual players. I agree with Vince that appealing to casual fans won't sustain interest for long.

    Between college and pro, there's way too much football to expect high interest beyond local fans.

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    i think i heard/read that all sports tv ratings are down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Friday View Post
    Don't look now, but another arrow in the quiver of those who predict a decline in the future for the NFL, such as Mark Cuban. MNF posted an anemic 5.7 overnight rating this week. Granted, it was up against the CLUMP debate...which had a huge viewership. However, this is yet another example of how the NFL's drive to expand into every nook and cranny of the TV schedule might not be paying dividends. If people see it every day of the week, it isn't special anymore. Good thing they have a game in London at 9:30am Eastern this week...I'm sure lots of people will be tuning in to that one.
    its funny that trump was worried about people not watching him at the debate cause he was worried about people watching MNF instead

    when in reality, it was football that should have been worried about the debate stealing all their viewers

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket View Post
    I think you're seeing the decline of the inflated interest that was generated by pushing fantasy football. Just like any other game, though, people move on, and there were a lot of people more invested in games because they had a fantasy stake in a player or two. Fuck, for the past few years, a majority of pre and post game shows were dealing almost exclusively with "fantasy" stats instead of analyzing what those stats meant to the team and their real future.

    Combine that with people watching in less traditional ways, and you have a "decline," which I think is simply an end to a boost created by a very successful multi-year marketing tool. I do think there will a longer term slump, as focusing on individual players broke a lot of fans' "loyalty" to specific teams, and football was about the last major sport where team was still the focus. They may need some of those old NFL film type propaganda pieces to start rebuilding the image of what football should be.
    Good post. I never would have tied it to fantasy football but that's right on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Oday View Post
    The rest can chortle my white nuts since apparently I'm a racist that hates the black man and it's all my fault that police shoot poor college bound perfect black children that never ever would hurt someone else.
    So you got that going for you.
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    Sports are suffering across the board but I think the crux of the NFL's issue is their deal with Direct TV on whom the exclusive streaming rights are completely wasted with their expensive garbage service. I'd wager those drops in ratings are due to cord cutting. If NFL Sunday ticket could be purchased ala cart HBOnow style for $10 or $15/mo viewership would climb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesehead Craig View Post
    So you got that going for you.
    well that and after a round Looping for the Dali Lamma himself he said I would receive total consciousness on my deathbed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3irty1 View Post
    Sports are suffering across the board but I think the crux of the NFL's issue is their deal with Direct TV on whom the exclusive streaming rights are completely wasted with their expensive garbage service. I'd wager those drops in ratings are due to cord cutting. If NFL Sunday ticket could be purchased ala cart HBOnow style for $10 or $15/mo viewership would climb.
    And Driectv would be GONE!
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    69% of the players in the NFL are black.

    The fact that blacks and whites see racial issues through a starkly different lens is not news. The OJ acquittal was broadly supported by black players in the last century.

    If you demand that players share your world view, you probably ought to stick to tennis, bowling and golf. But even there you'll have to deal with some deplorables.

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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gs-down-again/

    Ratings down again.

    I mostly agree with what everyone is saying in this thread.

    -Over saturation (see: Thursday night football. I never watch those games. Usually garbage)

    -I'm getting sick of all the focus on fantasy. I used to play fantasy religiously but stopped a few years ago. It wasn't fun anymore. Now you can't watch a pregame or highlight show without someone talking about fantasy. Nobody cares about your fantasy team.

    -Poor prime time matchups

    -Players politicizing the game via the kneeling and other demonstrations (Some people watch football as an escape. And don'y want to get reminded of or think of the divisiveness going on in the country right now)

    -Piss poor streaming. It is 2016. MLB and NHL have amazing streaming services available to everyone and delvier games in crisp HD. The NFL version is garbage. You either need DirecTV or need to live in a condo. And the service is laggy, cuts out, poor quality that makes me feel like it is 1997 and I'm on my 33.6k modem. I have better luck with illegal streams.

    All I can think of right now as reasons for some of my waning interests. I used to watch all the prime-time games. Now I pretty much only watch the Packers.
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    Has anyone watched streaming games on Verizon's package or on Twitter? Curious if those were any good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcilite View Post
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gs-down-again/

    Ratings down again.

    I mostly agree with what everyone is saying in this thread.

    -Over saturation (see: Thursday night football. I never watch those games. Usually garbage)

    -I'm getting sick of all the focus on fantasy. I used to play fantasy religiously but stopped a few years ago. It wasn't fun anymore. Now you can't watch a pregame or highlight show without someone talking about fantasy. Nobody cares about your fantasy team.

    -Poor prime time matchups

    -Players politicizing the game via the kneeling and other demonstrations (Some people watch football as an escape. And don'y want to get reminded of or think of the divisiveness going on in the country right now)

    -Piss poor streaming. It is 2016. MLB and NHL have amazing streaming services available to everyone and delvier games in crisp HD. The NFL version is garbage. You either need DirecTV or need to live in a condo. And the service is laggy, cuts out, poor quality that makes me feel like it is 1997 and I'm on my 33.6k modem. I have better luck with illegal streams.

    All I can think of right now as reasons for some of my waning interests. I used to watch all the prime-time games. Now I pretty much only watch the Packers.
    Totally agree that the network focus on fantasy is annoying. I play fantasy, but if I want fantasy information, I can get more complete information online.

    I'm now down to watching Packers, Sunday Night, and occasionally Monday Night if it's a really good matchup. Don't watch Thursday Night unless the Packers are playing.

    Anybody know if it's just prime-time ratings that are down, or if it's ratings overall? I'm wondering if at some point in the near future declining ratings could have salary cap implications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Totally agree that the network focus on fantasy is annoying. I play fantasy, but if I want fantasy information, I can get more complete information online.

    I'm now down to watching Packers, Sunday Night, and occasionally Monday Night if it's a really good matchup. Don't watch Thursday Night unless the Packers are playing.

    Anybody know if it's just prime-time ratings that are down, or if it's ratings overall? I'm wondering if at some point in the near future declining ratings could have salary cap implications.
    Looks like ratings overall:

    the FOX late-afternoon window was down 10 percent. The FOX 1:00 p.m. ET window also saw a decline, with a 20-percent decline from 2015 to 2016.
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    All TV ratings for the networks are falling. Football was a strong holdout for a long time but it was inevitable. I always thought that weakening prime times games (ESPN on Sunday or Monday) was a bad idea. But I have no numbers to back that up.

    Why do you want prime time dreck?
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