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    Quote Originally Posted by SMBASS View Post
    I know pb but he has a history of doing it over and over again...year after year. He just knows how to put a game plan together that plays to the strength of his team regardless of who in the hell he has available to play. It's not just this game by any measure. I've been watching him do this for a long time. They supposedly didn't have any chance when they went to Arizona for the first game either. He's not afraid to change the damn game plan every week if he has to if it gives his team the best chance to be competitive and win. He just doesn't sit there and continue to try to pound a square peg into a round hole no matter how many times it fails like so many other coaches do.
    Another thing he's done a couple of times that has impressed me is use WRs to fill in when he's out of CBs. He did it with Troy Brown, and again with Endleman. How screwed are other teams when they have to press their #4 CB into a starting roll? He goes to the other side of the ball, during a playoff game and find a guy who forces a fumble.
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    They beat the Texans! Its like beating Iowa!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    They beat the Texans! Its like beating Iowa!
    They beat them 27-0...with a third string QB...and with injuries to other key players too.

    The Packers couldn't beat Houston 27-0 with everyone on the roster healthy...and would probably lose 27-0 if we went down to our 3rd string QB.

    Belichick is simply way better than Stubby...and his players buy into the system, which seems to be something of an issue in Green Bay after the Sitton debacle.
    It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Friday View Post
    They beat them 27-0...with a third string QB...and with injuries to other key players too.

    The Packers couldn't beat Houston 27-0 with everyone on the roster healthy...and would probably lose 27-0 if we went down to our 3rd string QB.

    Belichick is simply way better than Stubby...and his players buy into the system, which seems to be something of an issue in Green Bay after the Sitton debacle.
    That's because the coach has lost his offense and possibly his QB. Its not because McCarthy isn't a genius.

    Just like the Packers stood to win that game without an inordinate amount of TOs and bad special teams play, the Patriots won going away because they did not turn it over and their special teams were very good.

    When teams offenses are relatively equal in yardage gained, points are a result of field position more than any other factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Friday View Post

    Belichick is simply way better than Stubby....
    He's better than the Polar Bear, too.
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    He's better than the Polar Bear, too.
    Not even close.

    OK, its probably very close, but Ted is better. GM Hoody has a better coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Not even close.

    OK, its probably very close, but Ted is better. GM Hoody has a better coach.
    'Draft and develop' Packers under Thompson: 1 (fluke) Super Bowl win, 1 (fluke) Super Bowl appearance.

    'Draft, Sign Vets of NFL War, Trade Liberally' Patriots under Belichick: 4 Super Bowl wins, 6 Super Bowl appearances.

    Yeah, Belichick can't hold Thompson's jockstrap. Seriously, Belichick's Way is way, way, way better than Thompson's Way. Ain't even close. Belichick is without an ounce of doubt the superior GM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Friday View Post
    They beat them 27-0...with a third string QB...and with injuries to other key players too.

    The Packers couldn't beat Houston 27-0 with everyone on the roster healthy...and would probably lose 27-0 if we went down to our 3rd string QB.

    Belichick is simply way better than Stubby...and his players buy into the system, which seems to be something of an issue in Green Bay after the Sitton debacle.
    I have to agree. No way McMike goes into a game with a third string QB and beats the Texans. Hell, NE hasn't lost yet, has it? And without their All-World QB for every one. GB can't even beat a crippled Minny team with Rodgers.

    Advantage Hoody Genius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    I have to agree. No way McMike goes into a game with a third string QB and beats the Texans. Hell, NE hasn't lost yet, has it? And without their All-World QB for every one. GB can't even beat a crippled Minny team with Rodgers.

    Advantage Hoody Genius.
    I think everyone needs to get outside and reorient their relationship to the ground.

    McCarthy almost beat the Patriots in Gillette using a QB (Flynn) who was less talented than Charcoal Briquet. That's much more impressive than beating the Texans.

    Of course, the W is most important and few ask about the quality of the win. But not everyone can play the AFC East and South every year.

    A better question is why were Flynn, Coleman and Harrell on the roster for so long?
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    The thing about Belichick is that he's ruthless as a GM, which mirrors his style as a coach. Players on the roster know they have to perform or they're gone -- no matter who they are. Vets coming to the team via trade or free agency know if they perform they'll not only stick, but play. And Belichick doesn't seem to pay attention to press clippings on particular players. He trusts his own judgement and is willing to take the flack.

    Plus, there are certain player-types he's enamored with and he always has them. On defense he likes huge NT's. (He gets rid of Wilfork and acquires Alan Branch and drafts Vincent Valentine). He likes big, athletic LB's and heady DB's. On offense he always has a third down running back ala James White, a quick, sure-handed receiver who makes people miss AND he uses him regularly. He likes WR's ala Julian Edelman -- smallish, quick, smart, hard-nosed, fearless. Then again, he'll break his own rules when the opportunity arises and alter his approach based on the opportunity to get an exceptional talent (Randy Moss, for example).

    Definitely one of the best HC's ever.
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    How bad is the Texans D?

    Seven O lineman blocking (that includes a TE), 3 receiver route, couldn't stop them.


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    It'll be fun to play the Texans later on.

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    I disagree with you here, PB. I really do not believe, for a minute, that MM could be undefeated right now with Joe Callahan slinging the rock, even against the Texans. Oh, and don't forget, Hoody's biggest playmaker outside the QB didn't play in the first game, either.

    Do you really think MM could've beaten those teams with the same lack of weapons? Hell, he couldn't even figure out how to get it done without Jordy last year, and with him this year.

    I'm not saying he's awful. He's very good as a coach, and if somehow he landed on the street, he'd have a job in five minutes. But he's not as good as Hoody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    I disagree with you here, PB. I really do not believe, for a minute, that MM could be undefeated right now with Joe Callahan slinging the rock, even against the Texans. Oh, and don't forget, Hoody's biggest playmaker outside the QB didn't play in the first game, either.

    Do you really think MM could've beaten those teams with the same lack of weapons? Hell, he couldn't even figure out how to get it done without Jordy last year, and with him this year.

    I'm not saying he's awful. He's very good as a coach, and if somehow he landed on the street, he'd have a job in five minutes. But he's not as good as Hoody.
    Possibly not. He is on a 2+ season streak of having his offense underwhelm.

    But he has been that good before (see @NE). And I think if you put Hundley or Callahan in there, he changes the offense, probably for the better.
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    Did anyone actual watch the NE - Hou game?

    NE didn't whoop Hou in the conventional way. Hell, NE didn't even have 300 yards in total offense. Yes, that is correct in this amazing whooping the NE offense couldn't crack 300 yards and had 175 yards of passing offense.

    The real story was the NE D and especially the special teams. NE special teams forced 2 turnovers and gave the O short field after short field. NE TD drives were 22, 21 and 47 yards. Yup, 90 yards of offense and 3 TDs. Hell, NE's filed goal drives were more impressive than their TD drives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
    Did anyone actual watch the NE - Hou game?

    NE didn't whoop Hou in the conventional way. Hell, NE didn't even have 300 yards in total offense. Yes, that is correct in this amazing whooping the NE offense couldn't crack 300 yards and had 175 yards of passing offense.

    The real story was the NE D and especially the special teams. NE special teams forced 2 turnovers and gave the O short field after short field. NE TD drives were 22, 21 and 47 yards. Yup, 90 yards of offense and 3 TDs. Hell, NE's filed goal drives were more impressive than their TD drives.
    Exactly. And that is also how pathetic Bill O'Brien's offense is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Exactly. And that is also how pathetic Bill O'Brien's offense is.
    So the Patriots won because of blind luck getting turnovers and because Houston's offense is pathetic?
    It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Friday View Post
    So the Patriots won because of blind luck getting turnovers and because Houston's offense is pathetic?
    That was a large part of it. Forcing turnovers is a skill, so they get credit for that. Recovering turnovers is the most random thing in the game of football other than the coin toss. So luck is involved there.

    I am not saying Belichick isn't great. But miracle worker makes it sound like he created a brand new offense for the 3rd string guy to run in a week. He did not such thing.

    He gave him a limited number of plays and had his other two units step up. And the Texans were the perfect opponent.
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    Let's talk about the Browns in 1988...
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