Is this a thing that happens to all NFL teams? Is it human nature to relax, or is it the prevent defense and the conservative playcalling?
I get, to some extent, backing off on defense so you don't get burned for a quick touchdown. But wait, didn't that happen anyway? It wasn't until the end of the game, when Dom went back to a more aggressive defense and MM let Rodgers throw that slant to Adams, that they salted it away.
That second half kinda took some of the joy out of that game.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Dang, Arclite. All that factual recounting. You're messing me up, man.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Sorry.
Would hate to get in the way of a good 'Fire McCarthy' narrative
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I don't want to see McCarthy fired. If he got fired, he'd have a new job in about two minutes.Originally Posted by arcilite
I just want to bitch.
Though I am happy they won, and in the big picture, honestly, it's a win without a bunch of starters, and you could say the team just let down.
But that baseless bitching sure was fun.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
HOFer
and i call that mike sherman syndrome
both of the last 2 mikes are very similar IMO, both did next to nothing as far as coaching was concerned, both just rode HOF QB's to success
many packer fans couldn't believe we could get rid of such a winning coach as sherman. he did jack squat after leaving green bay BTW
hell, if a lot of packer fans had their way, sherman would probably still be the head coach. and the sad thing is, we probably would have won just as many super bowls in that timeframe
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a rod was 3-6 for 31 yards in the second half.
does that look anywhere close to the same type of output we had in the first half?
you have to have balance on offense. i think we called 9 pass plays the whole half
and we called somewhere around 12 or 13 runs (not counting kneel downs and qb scrambles or sacks)
so we did go run heavy in the second
Okay, double post, but I don't care. Here's what Jeff Seidel of the Detroit Free Press wrote after the game:
"The Packers were tougher. They were smarter. And they were better coached, jumping out to a 31-3 lead."
Wow. Tough? Smart? Well-coached?
Maybe we're all too inside our heads. Or maybe the Lions just suck really bad. I don't know.
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Ripkowski also did not return. That might explain some of the weirdness in the second half and the reappearance of that toss play.
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Randall was ill before and during the game.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Kinda made me a little sick watching him.
Jared Cook had his foot in a walking boot and exited the locker room on crutches. Ripkowski has a back.
Not sure what to think after the game. I just finished watching it on tape after having to miss the game live.
I am not sure how you can complain about the O in the 2nd half. I think we only had 4 possessions in the 2nd half. We scored on 1, punted twice and run out the last 4 minutes of the game without giving Det a chance to tie the game.
If I remember correctly we had 10 total possessions. We scored on 6, punted 2, run 2 plays to finish the 1st half, and ran out the last 4 minutes of the 2nd half sealing the game making sure DET never had the ball when they were only behind by 1 score or less.
The 2nd half "struggles" occurred because DET had some sustained long scoring drives.
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim Harmston
It's easy to complain. Had they been playing a decent team. Stubby's foot of the gas approach would have been a losing one.
Just was looking at the box score on NFL.com. Two other notes, Packer offense had 1 three and out the whole game. ARod had 205 yards passing.
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim Harmston
HOFer
yes, and he had 174 of those at halftime
so 31 yards on 4 drives in the second half
So I went through the play calls in the 2nd half for the Packers. We ran 28 total plays. 3 were punts and field goals and the last 3 were kneel downs by ARod.
That leaves 22 "real" plays in the 2nd half. We ran 12 times and passed 10 if you count ARod's scrambles as pass plays. So we had 55/45 run/pass mix not as unbalanced as many here felt.
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim Harmston
HOFer
Not sure on anyone else, but I'm not really talking about the run/pass mix. I'm talking about the aggressiveness of the play calling. You can call 100% pass plays and still be a conservative offense. You can run the ball 75% of the time and still be an aggressive offense.
You don't want to become PREDICTABLE. Out of 10 first down plays in the 2nd half, we ran on 7 of them. 2 of the 3 passes were out of the shotgun formation. So, in general, the defense knew that if we weren't in shotgun, we were running it. That is too predictable for me in a game that had not yet been decided. McCarthy seemed to call the offense in the second half as if it were decided...something he has done before, occasionally to the detriment of the team.
I'm fine with 7 of 10 plays being run plays...if the pass plays look the same at the line of scrimmage and are keeping the defense honest. Run a couple play action plays and go for the dagger, if you will. But the Packer offense mostly went in to a shell, hoping to run off enough time to hold on for the win.
It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!
I pretty much agree. I think Stubby thought the game was well in hand (heck, I did too), so he came out conservative instead of aggressive in the second half. When the Lions started to move the ball and score, Stubby was taken by surprise...I was too. Maybe it's tough to go aggressive for a half, dial it back and then try to dial it up again when the situation gets tense.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
He has gotten slightly less stubborn. After Rodgers darted for a first on 3rd and long. He came right back with a play action throw.
He is still very early with the switch in play calling.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
The start of the second half had a definite, different feel to it than the start of the 1st half. The emphasis at the beginning of the 1st half was an aggressive passing attack. Pass first to set up the run, Tex would say.
At the start of the second half the emphasis was on Lacy pounding the pill. We were leading 31-10 at half-time, so Stubby coming out with a conservative plan to run more in the second half (take his foot off the gas) is kind of conventional wisdom. I didn't mind it.
But when Detroit started moving the ball/scoring and the running game stalled due to zero rushing yardage on 1st down and penalties, I felt we should have gone back to the aggressive passing attack, especially in the 4th quarter and especially at the end of the game.
Like someone said (pbmax, I think) it isn't a sound plan to rely on Arod to scramble on third down for 10 yards for a much needed 1st down in those situations.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
It's not just play calling you're talking about, it's momentum. Hard to turn it off and on again.
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