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    Official Vince Biegel 2017 Fourth Round Choice

    The first question is did the Packers scouts tell Ted he was a Badger?

    Second is: does he play inside or outside? Lots of draftnik sites had him pegged for ILB.

    OVERVIEW @NFL.com
    This two-time all-conference pick came from a football family. His father, Rocky, played linebacker at BYU while his uncle T.D. was a fullback for the Cougars. Vince's grandfather, Ken, played Division III ball and was a Wisconsin and national high school hall of fame coach. Coming from that lineage, it was no surprise Vince was the Wisconsin Gatorade Player of the Year as a senior (172 tackles, 21 sacks) and earned a scholarship to play for the Badgers. A foot injury ended his freshman season after two games, but he came on late the following year to start twice (25 tackles, three for loss, two sacks). Biegel led the Badgers with 16.5 tackles for loss (7.5 sacks) as a starter in 2014, and earned third-team All-Big Ten notice with 66 stops, 14 for loss, and eight sacks as a junior. Despite being limited for multiple games, missing two, with a broken foot, Biegel was a second-team All-Big Ten performer in 2016 (six TFL, four sacks).

    STRENGTHS
    Voted team captain. Known for intensity and all-out love for the sport. Instinctive. Diagnoses zone blocks quickly and darts through gaps into backfield to muddy backside cutback lanes. Works to keep outside shoulder uncovered for contain responsibilities against the run. Emotional leader for the Badgers. Wrap-up tackler looking to thud. Flashes desired pursuit speed to perimeter. First-strike specialist at point of attack. Lands hands first and immediate arm extension provides leverage against much bigger blockers. Adequate hip flexibility and change of direction to mirror play-action rollouts. Good run-pass recognition. Was asked to peel off and cover in space. Squeezes receivers from zone. Posted productive rush totals over sophomore and junior seasons. Father, uncle, grandfather and younger brother all played college ball.

    WEAKNESSES
    Undersized, and it often shows up on tape. Needs to increase play strength and add more bulk to his frame. Gets jostled around by tackles if he loses with his hands. Poor contact balance to fight through redirect blocks and can get shoved to turf. Average three-step burst upfield. Duck-foot rusher missing twitch and athleticism to bend the edge. Attempts to activate spin counter, but he's missing footwork to bring it home. "Take-on" anchor and power versus lead blockers is below average. Quick to stack, slow to shuck.

    DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 5-6

    SOURCES TELL US "Has to get stronger. He's got great makeup and is a great teammate and leader. Medicals with his foot are worrisome. Could be a flag for him." -- Midwest regional scout for NFC team

    NFL COMPARISON Frank Zombo

    BOTTOM LINE Effort-based worker bee with edge-setting hands and attitude, but a lack of power that could lead to inconsistency in play. Biegel's football character is off-the-charts and he can be counted on to put the effort into improving in areas that need work. He lacks individual rush talent but could be a good fit for teams utilizing exotic rush packages. Average NFL ceiling but has the demeanor and traits of a potential special teams demon.

    -Lance Zierlein
    Bring back stick 'em and the tear away jersey. Allow TD celebrations for 8 seconds. Allow sack celebrations for 4 seconds. If a player goes longer, allow their opponent to select a coach or player to take a close range shot from a T-shirt cannon.

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    CBS much higher on him

    PLAYER OVERVIEW: Vince Biegel

    A four-star recruit by ESPN, Rivals.com, Biegel ranked No. 73rd overall nationally by Rivals and the third overall outside linebacker in the country. Growing up Biegel help tend to his families cranberry marsh and learned the dedication needed to perfect a craft.
    Hard work and attention to detail he learned in the marsh is the same dedication he shows playing linebacker. Biegel equaled the all-time school record by playing in 54 games that included 40 starts. He finished seventh in Badgers history 21.5 sacks and tenth with 39.5 tackles-for-loss. The four-time Academic All-Big Ten selection finished with 191 tackles in his career.

    Biegel gave consideration last season to enter the NFL Draft, submitting his paperwork to the NFL Draft advisory board which revealed the possibility of being selected in the middle rounds. Earning All-Big Ten honors the last three seasons as well as earning his fourth letter at Wisconsin, Biegel has an impressive resume for NFL Scouts to scour over.

    STRENGTH: Very good athlete with solid production. Biegel is as intense as they come and plays with passion. Effective blitzer who powers through the smallest of creases to arrive in the backfield. He diagnoses the shows good instincts. Biegel has good hip transition and is able to bend and get leverage. He secures the ball carrier showing good tackling technique. His country farm strength is evident at the line of scrimmage. Comes from a family with football background, his uncle played fullback at BYU, grandfather played linebacker at UW-Eau Claire prior to being enshrined in the National High School Athletic Coaches Association and his brother played for the Badgers.

    WEAKNESSES: Best when the play is in front of him. Biegel has marginal cover skills and will need to show he can back pedal and cover tight ends and receivers in the slot. Over pursues, he lacks the discipline in back-side pursuit overrunning the ball. Tends to get shutdown by quicker more athletic lineman. Aggressive nature can lead him to miss plays. More variety of moves to get access to the quarterback.

    IN OUR VIEW: Biegel flies around the ball and strong pound for pound giving great effort. One will never question his intensity or passion to play the game. He is a bit of a one trick pony that excels at being a disruptive backfield force but lacks coverage skills. He should be early contributed on special teams and gradually earn snaps his rookie season as a outside linebacker.

    COMPARES TO: Lorenzo Mauldin, New York: Biegel will draw interest from 3-4 teams looking for an edge rusher. Mauldin has 6.5 sacks and 33 tackles in his first two season with the Jets and Biegel has the capability to have that type of impact heading into his NFL career.
    Bring back stick 'em and the tear away jersey. Allow TD celebrations for 8 seconds. Allow sack celebrations for 4 seconds. If a player goes longer, allow their opponent to select a coach or player to take a close range shot from a T-shirt cannon.

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    First film is 2015

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    In pSparq, Bielgel is listed as an average athletic ILB.
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    Ted's worst pick of this draft... special teams guy with a low ceiling.

    What is it with Ted drafting sluggish, unathletic white LB's in the 4th round??

    Hate this pick.
    wist

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    The first question is did the Packers scouts tell Ted he was a Badger?

    Second is: does he play inside or outside? Lots of draftnik sites had him pegged for ILB.

    OVERVIEW @NFL.com
    This two-time all-conference pick came from a football family. His father, Rocky, played linebacker at BYU while his uncle T.D. was a fullback for the Cougars. Vince's grandfather, Ken, played Division III ball and was a Wisconsin and national high school hall of fame coach. Coming from that lineage, it was no surprise Vince was the Wisconsin Gatorade Player of the Year as a senior (172 tackles, 21 sacks) and earned a scholarship to play for the Badgers. A foot injury ended his freshman season after two games, but he came on late the following year to start twice (25 tackles, three for loss, two sacks). Biegel led the Badgers with 16.5 tackles for loss (7.5 sacks) as a starter in 2014, and earned third-team All-Big Ten notice with 66 stops, 14 for loss, and eight sacks as a junior. Despite being limited for multiple games, missing two, with a broken foot, Biegel was a second-team All-Big Ten performer in 2016 (six TFL, four sacks).

    STRENGTHS
    Voted team captain. Known for intensity and all-out love for the sport. Instinctive. Diagnoses zone blocks quickly and darts through gaps into backfield to muddy backside cutback lanes. Works to keep outside shoulder uncovered for contain responsibilities against the run. Emotional leader for the Badgers. Wrap-up tackler looking to thud. Flashes desired pursuit speed to perimeter. First-strike specialist at point of attack. Lands hands first and immediate arm extension provides leverage against much bigger blockers. Adequate hip flexibility and change of direction to mirror play-action rollouts. Good run-pass recognition. Was asked to peel off and cover in space. Squeezes receivers from zone. Posted productive rush totals over sophomore and junior seasons. Father, uncle, grandfather and younger brother all played college ball.

    WEAKNESSES
    Undersized, and it often shows up on tape. Needs to increase play strength and add more bulk to his frame. Gets jostled around by tackles if he loses with his hands. Poor contact balance to fight through redirect blocks and can get shoved to turf. Average three-step burst upfield. Duck-foot rusher missing twitch and athleticism to bend the edge. Attempts to activate spin counter, but he's missing footwork to bring it home. "Take-on" anchor and power versus lead blockers is below average. Quick to stack, slow to shuck.

    DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 5-6

    SOURCES TELL US "Has to get stronger. He's got great makeup and is a great teammate and leader. Medicals with his foot are worrisome. Could be a flag for him." -- Midwest regional scout for NFC team

    NFL COMPARISON Frank Zombo

    BOTTOM LINE Effort-based worker bee with edge-setting hands and attitude, but a lack of power that could lead to inconsistency in play. Biegel's football character is off-the-charts and he can be counted on to put the effort into improving in areas that need work. He lacks individual rush talent but could be a good fit for teams utilizing exotic rush packages. Average NFL ceiling but has the demeanor and traits of a potential special teams demon.

    -Lance Zierlein
    sounds like a guy thats gonna be suspended in the next year or two
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    Ian Kenyon‏ @IanKenyonNFL 8h8 hours ago
    *whispers* Biegel was the one Big Ten teams were game planning for when TJ Watt got all those sacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    In pSparq, Bielgel is listed as an average athletic ILB.
    Did you mean ILB or was that a typo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    Did you mean ILB or was that a typo?
    They definitely compared him to other ILBs, he was not listed on the EDGE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Ted's worst pick of this draft... special teams guy with a low ceiling.

    What is it with Ted drafting sluggish, unathletic white LB's in the 4th round??

    Hate this pick.
    He was a four star recruit coming out of high school. Nonathletic guys are not 4 star recruits. What about his play or his work out numbers would signify he is not athletic?
    My issue with Biegel is he left a lot of plays on the field by missing tackles and sacks. If I went back and watched film I bet Biegel would have had at least 5 more sacks this season. I like him with the fourth round pick, and I like him better than Frackrell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
    I like him with the fourth round pick, and I like him better than Frackrell.
    This I agree with completely. He at least is an upgrade over some of the current dregs on the roster.
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    I like the pick. Going to be real interesting to see how he does vs how Watt does.
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    I like Biegel in the 4th better than Watt in the 1st. I'd say they are about equally likely to succeed ...... or fail. It's a lot less of a big deal if Biegel fails, though, than Watt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    I like Biegel in the 4th better than Watt in the 1st. I'd say they are about equally likely to succeed ...... or fail. It's a lot less of a big deal if Biegel fails, though, than Watt.
    I think Watt would be in college next year if he had a different last name.

    I've heard some people who study the games and go to some practices (Tarek Saleh, Mike Lucas, others) say that Biegel was by far the best player on the Badger D. And they were saying that for two years. I didn't really see it with my own eyes, he was just a solid player to me.

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    Yes, I do wonder at times did TJ get all the attention because of his big brother? If you just look at the combine numbers Vince and TJ had very similar numbers.

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    I'll repeat what I said before. If TJ Watt had the last name of Biegel, he and Vince would have been drafted within a round of each other. The difference being the ages of the two players.

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    Watt is bigger than Biegel in every way (longer arms, bigger hands.) He has more potential to fill out and be defensive line stud. But he only really played 1 year of college football, which is a loss to all.

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    "NFL COMPARISON Frank Zombo"

    That let the air right out of my sails on this guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
    I think Watt would be in college next year if he had a different last name.

    I've heard some people who study the games and go to some practices (Tarek Saleh, Mike Lucas, others) say that Biegel was by far the best player on the Badger D. And they were saying that for two years. I didn't really see it with my own eyes, he was just a solid player to me.
    Vince has always recieved a lot of praise from those that cover the Badgers that he is the biggest key for the defense. That was high praise given that the Badger LBs were the cornerstone of that unit and amongst the best in college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    "NFL COMPARISON Frank Zombo"

    That let the air right out of my sails on this guy.
    I liked Zombo, until he got hit by the injury bug. Biegel is probably better than Zombo, but don't be expecting another Clay Matthews with a 4th round pick.

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