Official Vince Biegel 2017 Fourth Round Choice

[wist43]

It can never be justified to over draft a guy just to fill a need. I want to fill needs, but would argue we either trade up to get the requisite value, or stay put and take a player at another position who is worthy of that pick.

Biegel may play a position of need, but I don't think he fills it - just as I don't think Fackrell fills it. That's 2 mid-round spitballs that Ted has thrown at a critical position, combined with the mid-round spitballs that are Ryan and Martinez. Everyone of those guys is athletically limited, and hence have low ceilings.

In short, TT is not filling holes in the starting lineup, he's playing his same old quantity game in hopes of hitting on one of them.

[Pugger]

It can never be justified to over draft a guy just to fill a need. I want to fill needs, but would argue we either trade up to get the requisite value, or stay put and take a player at another position who is worthy of that pick.

Biegel may play a position of need, but I don't think he fills it - just as I don't think Fackrell fills it. That's 2 mid-round spitballs that Ted has thrown at a critical position, combined with the mid-round spitballs that are Ryan and Martinez. Everyone of those guys is athletically limited, and hence have low ceilings.

In short, TT is not filling holes in the starting lineup, he's playing his same old quantity game in hopes of hitting on one of them.

What EDGE player at that spot in the draft would have been a better choice?

[pbmax]

There is ample evidence that teams cannot identify successful NFL players at better than a 50% clip. None of them do that well over time.

So quantity over "quality" is a winning strategy. That isn't to say you want all 7th round picks, but you do want more rather than less overall.

[wist43]

There is ample evidence that teams cannot identify successful NFL players at better than a 50% clip. None of them do that well over time.

So quantity over "quality" is a winning strategy. That isn't to say you want all 7th round picks, but you do want more rather than less overall.

You're missing the point...

The point is - if you don't trade up from a given spot, you can't force a pick for a player based on position. I would rather have seen him take a player with more upside at another position, than to spend a valuable mid-round pick on a guy with a low ceiling simply b/c he plays a position of need.

Like I said, watch his game tape of the LSU game.

[Pugger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuOcKH_QHHM

[Deputy Nutz]

The complaints that I have with Biegel are what is apparent in this film. He would have been a first rounder if he finished plays. He takes good angles on the backside and holds contain when he is on playside. He was the ground a bit much throughout the game. He was double teamed a handful of times, it was obvious that LSU was chipping him with backs and tight ends.

My feeling is that he holds value with the fourth pick. I used to be like a lot of you and thought I knew the draft and value of the players because I read websites and read draft magazines and complained at all the moves that didn't happen that I thought should have happened. These GM's hit record on the draft isn't real good and this is what they do for a living, Most likely this pick doesn't work out and other 4th rounders won't either. Some will and some of you will point to those successful fourth round picks and cry foul because you thought the Packers should have drafted that particular player. What ever helps you get through your lives.

[pbmax]

Well look at it this way. He isn't going to get chipped or double teamed this year.

We'll see.

[SMBASS]

I stole this find from another site and thought it was pretty interesting:

Since 2005, in the first four rounds of the draft, there have only been nine college pass-rushers who have:

posted at least a 4.67-second 40-yard dash time
were at least 245 pounds or heavier
posted at least a 6.92-second three-cone time
Here are those players:

Von Miller, second pick in 2011 draft
Vic Beasley, eighth pick in 2015 draft
Anthony Barr, ninth pick in 2014 draft
DeMarcus Ware, 11th pick in 2005 draft
Bruce Irvin, 15th pick in 2012 draft
Connor Barwin, 46th pick in 2009 draft
Cliff Avril, 92nd pick in 2008 draft
Zak DeOssie, 116th pick in 2007 draft

Vince Biegel is the 9th

Author of the article (Justin Mosquera) has written for years on edge rushing prospects.

I still wish we would have signed Conner Barwin in free agency this year. Oh well...

[gbgary]

I stole this find from another site and thought it was pretty interesting:

Since 2005, in the first four rounds of the draft, there have only been nine college pass-rushers who have:

posted at least a 4.67-second 40-yard dash time
were at least 245 pounds or heavier
posted at least a 6.92-second three-cone time
Here are those players:

Von Miller, second pick in 2011 draft
Vic Beasley, eighth pick in 2015 draft
Anthony Barr, ninth pick in 2014 draft
DeMarcus Ware, 11th pick in 2005 draft
Bruce Irvin, 15th pick in 2012 draft
Connor Barwin, 46th pick in 2009 draft
Cliff Avril, 92nd pick in 2008 draft
Zak DeOssie, 116th pick in 2007 draft

Vince Biegel is the 9th

Author of the article (Justin Mosquera) has written for years on edge rushing prospects.

I still wish we would have signed Conner Barwin in free agency this year. Oh well...

that's impressive. i seldom watch college football but he seems pretty good to me.

[Fritz]

The way he played, he looked like a Green Bay Packer edge rusher to me - a dollar short and a day late.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The way he played, he looked like a Green Bay Packer edge rusher to me - a dollar short and a day late.

Don't under estimate the value of team chemistry.

[3irty1]

I'm excited to see what Biegel can do in the NFL. This talk of his supposed low-ceiling makes no sense. This man's an NFL athlete:

6'03"
246 lbs
forty-yard dash: 4.67
three-cone: 6.92
20-yard SS: 4.30 (combine) 4.15 (proday)
Bench Press: 21 reps
Vert jump: 33.5 inches
Broad jump: 9' 10"

He moves like Haha Clinton-Dix but carries 30 extra pounds. This is a size-speed prospect. What Watt has over him (other than name) is his jumps and age. TJ's vert and broad jump are spectacular for his size, he's got the explosive ability to be as good as he wants rushing the passer. Biegel is unlikely to become the double digit sack monster that TJ could be but he's not some try-hard tweener either. He's got the attitude and the athletic traits of a difference maker from sideline to sideline and in coverage.

[pbmax]

Boo. Though he seems to be evaluating him solely at ILB.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-3-report-card

No. 108 Green Bay Packers: Vince Biegel, Linebacker, Wisconsin

Strengths: Motor, instincts, experience.

Weaknesses: Foot injuries, power game.

Biegel is your central-casting, old-school Big Ten linebacker. He has the tools to be a run-thumping NFL inside linebacker, but a long history of foot injuries cloud his potential, and he needs to become better at converting his size and his effort into block-shedding and gap-plugging. Also, old-school thumpers just aren't as useful as they used to be. The Packers are really leaning into the defense in this year's draft. Grade: C.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Biegel isn't really old school thumper, is he? Also, didn't he play in a school record 54 games?

[pbmax]

Biegel isn't really old school thumper, is he? Also, didn't he play in a school record 54 games?

Sorta. Be isn't terribly strong but he does fine with contact. He could play inside. Not precisely old school, but the review is trying to forecast him as an ILB.

The foot injury is listed because I believe it came up twice and foot injuries do tend to repeat.

He missed two games his senior year after getting screw inserted into his foot.

[texaspackerbacker]

I really don't he him as an ILB. If he's good, he might make it possible to use Matthews inside more. I'm guardedly optimistic about Biegel based on his junior year. Arguably (as I read somewhere) teams game planned for him, which had something to do with why T.J. Watt looked so good.

[Bretsky]

Dude is a tough nut; he came back from his 4 week injury in two weeks.

I may have preferred the RB but Vince was the next best guy on he board there.

He's a smash mouth football player. Bottom line. And he can rush the passer. He's a guy you try at ILB but he's going to pressure and get to the QB. SOLID PICK TT

Tampa Bay called him at 7:00 AM in the morning and let him know he was theirs if he got to them

[Deputy Nutz]

He is not an inside linebacker at this point. He does one thing really well and that is rushing up the field

[bobblehead]

He is not an inside linebacker at this point. He does one thing really well and that is rushing up the field

If you're only going to do one thing well, nothing beats making a QB a bit nervous.

[gbgary]

had foot surgery.