WR battle

[ND72]

You're a little loose with your use of "no one" and "everyone". Janis is just scratching the surface, as I said he would if he ever got the opportunity.

I don't see the fascination with Trevor Davis, who hasn't come close to performing as well as Janis, who doesn't have the measureables of Janis, and who, other than the big punt return, hasn't been much on special teams either.

As for WR in general, assuming they don't cut Cobb - which wouldn't bother me at all, and Adams stays in the top 3 - deserved or not. Allison and Janis (and I mean at WR) are head and shoulders above anyone else from 4 on down. There are 9, maybe even 10 total quality WRs there. Crockett seems good enough to play in the NFL, but no way he stays; Maybe they can PUP Dupre and keep him that way, otherwise, a risk of the practice squad; It's been said Clark is too good to risk putting on the practice squad and losing him - I believe it; Yancey has looked way more good than bad, although I'm starting to see him as a Janis 2.0 in terms of lack of use. That leaves Davis and McCaffrey who I see battling for one spot, and I think McCaffrey may be the better of the two.

So my prediction/wish would be keeping 7 - Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Janis, Allison, Yancey, Clark, and either McCaffrey or Davis.

Janis has been the Robert Ferguson of this team since he was drafted. Trade him and move on. Until he was injured Dupree was the talk of camp along with Clark, and at the same time Janis was looking horrible.

He catches one deep ball on a beautifully thrown ball and people lose their minds. The week before when he dropped a simple 7 yard hitch pass, nobody says a word. He's a dime a dozen player. Plenty of guys can do what he's done on special teams, in fact they did last year since he wasn't even their best special teamer. Take the younger guys with more upside than he has.

Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Allison(week 2), Davis, Yancey, Dupree - Clark slips through to the practice squad, next year he makes the team. McCaffrey is the one to watch. Coaches like him, 12 likes him. Same was said for Abbrederais though.

[pbmax]

Janis has been the Robert Ferguson of this team since he was drafted. Trade him and move on. Until he was injured Dupree was the talk of camp along with Clark, and at the same time Janis was looking horrible.

He catches one deep ball on a beautifully thrown ball and people lose their minds. The week before when he dropped a simple 7 yard hitch pass, nobody says a word. He's a dime a dozen player. Plenty of guys can do what he's done on special teams, in fact they did last year since he wasn't even their best special teamer. Take the younger guys with more upside than he has.

Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Allison(week 2), Davis, Yancey, Dupree - Clark slips through to the practice squad, next year he makes the team. McCaffrey is the one to watch. Coaches like him, 12 likes him. Same was said for Abbrederais though.

Hello ND, good to see you.

I will say this in defense of Janis and this is from someone who has been consistently disappointed by him since he first preseason breakout three years ago.

He caught two other balls on two other routes against the starting D, or some starters and some backups. That is progress from the 9 route specialist he had become.

He has not been the talk of camp, so its still unclear whether he has demonstrated these new skills to the coaches and QB yet. But progress is better than the previous two off seasons. Its not enough to see his as a Pro Bowler, but he is good enough on ST that he will stick again and get another year to improve.

Problem is that not many WR break out in their fourth or fifth year.

[Smidgeon]

Hello ND, good to see you.

I will say this in defense of Janis and this is from someone who has been consistently disappointed by him since he first preseason breakout three years ago.

He caught two other balls on two other routes against the starting D, or some starters and some backups. That is progress from the 9 route specialist he had become.

He has not been the talk of camp, so its still unclear whether he has demonstrated these new skills to the coaches and QB yet. But progress is better than the previous two off seasons. Its not enough to see his as a Pro Bowler, but he is good enough on ST that he will stick again and get another year to improve.

Problem is that not many WR break out in their fourth or fifth year.

Correct on the fifth year, not correct on the fourth year.

Jordy Nelson was a D2 and had 300 yard seasons his first two years, a 580 yard season his third, then exploded his fourth year with 51% more catches and 117% more yards versus the prior year (1263 yards on 63 receptions following a 582/45 season).

Donald Driver was a D7 (like Janis) who only had 13 receptions his third year. In his fourth year, he had 70 for 1064 yards, basically an insane turnaround completely unpredictable according to stats.
James Jones' rookie season was pretty good (676 on 47), but he didn't top it again until his fourth year (679 on 50), Cobb's second season was his breakout season, and Greg Jennings started like Jones but then kept improving every year.

Right now, Janis' stats are barely less than Driver's thus far. The difference is Driver entered his fourth season as a starter. Janis is still WR5 or WR6 right now. It is unlikely he makes a big step like that this year. But considering how raw he was, it's possible he's a year or two behind Driver. If he puts up 20ish catches this year, he might still have a shot at a later breakout. If he puts out less than that, statistically it is unlikely he'll ever put out more than 10-15 catches per year.

[pbmax]

Correct on the fifth year, not correct on the fourth year.

Jordy Nelson was a D2 and had 300 yard seasons his first two years, a 580 yard season his third, then exploded his fourth year with 51% more catches and 117% more yards versus the prior year (1263 yards on 63 receptions following a 582/45 season).

Donald Driver was a D7 (like Janis) who only had 13 receptions his third year. In his fourth year, he had 70 for 1064 yards, basically an insane turnaround completely unpredictable according to stats.
James Jones' rookie season was pretty good (676 on 47), but he didn't top it again until his fourth year (679 on 50), Cobb's second season was his breakout season, and Greg Jennings started like Jones but then kept improving every year.

Right now, Janis' stats are barely less than Driver's thus far. The difference is Driver entered his fourth season as a starter. Janis is still WR5 or WR6 right now. It is unlikely he makes a big step like that this year. But considering how raw he was, it's possible he's a year or two behind Driver. If he puts up 20ish catches this year, he might still have a shot at a later breakout. If he puts out less than that, statistically it is unlikely he'll ever put out more than 10-15 catches per year.

Yes, but do Nelson, Adams, Cobb really matchup with Jennings, Driver, Jones?

Nelson was in a serious logjam. There have been snaps available to Janis during the long offensive drought and from injuries.

I would argue that we knew Nelson was good by Year 4, even if that was the first sign of the monster to come.

[Smidgeon]

Yes, but do Nelson, Adams, Cobb really matchup with Jennings, Driver, Jones?

Nelson was in a serious logjam. There have been snaps available to Janis during the long offensive drought and from injuries.

I would argue that we knew Nelson was good by Year 4, even if that was the first sign of the monster to come.

Only kinda sorta. The comparison with Nelson at the time was who was better, him or James Jones. Going into Nelson's fourth year, it was anyone's guess. Jones started out strong his rookie year, then regressed the next two before matching his rookie year. Nelson started weaker in the first two years and grew a little bit in the third. I remember a lot of people couldn't decide who was going to be better, but I think the general consensus leaned towards Jones. There was a logjam, but they were fighting for the #3 spot after Driver and Jennings.

[hoosier]

Yes, but do Nelson, Adams, Cobb really matchup with Jennings, Driver, Jones?

Nelson was in a serious logjam. There have been snaps available to Janis during the long offensive drought and from injuries.

I would argue that we knew Nelson was good by Year 4, even if that was the first sign of the monster to come.

Not to turn this into a sideshow but first sign of Nelson's emergence was in his thirrd year, at the end of 2010, in that late December game against NYG and then the huge game against Pittsburgh in the SB. In his fourth year he went over 1200 yards receiving. I agree with your main point, which is that there have been ample opportunities for Janis to earn playing time whereas Nelson had to split time for his first three years. Moreover, the comparison really isn't apt because Nelson was much more polished coming in and he got plenty of playing of time from the get go. Janis was much greener and has never really dispelled his initial limitations.