It's interesting how that works. For his own turn, many thought Bowman was kept from some pro bowl selections because of his involvement the players union, which wasn't too popular back then.
I didn't mean to seem so down on Kramer. He's really quite a guy. He's very kind and generous - one of those very large personalities of yesteryear who you love to just sit next to and hear tell stories. I've had two chances to do that and it's just great.