Michael Bennett: Police singled me out, put a gun near my head

[Brandon494]

Let me show you how easy this is. The man with the torch had a spray can of something and was flame throwing at the people leaving (a serious threat). A man with a gun points it at him to back him off, and then fires a warning shot into a concrete berm in front of the man with the improvised flame thrower.

Now for the truth. Two fucking idiots who can't behave in a civilized manner ran into each other and its lucky the only thing hurt was the berm.

So you just going to ignore the fact the cops did nothing when a white guy shoots his gun into a crowd huh?

[gbgary]

So you just going to ignore the fact the cops did nothing when a white guy shoots his gun into a crowd huh?

the cops were ordered to pull back...remember? had they stayed and were allowed to do their job that lady would probably be alive today. city politicians were complicit in her death imo.

[bobblehead]

So you just going to ignore the fact the cops did nothing when a white guy shoots his gun into a crowd huh?

I actually didn't see any cops nearby. Also, lets be honest. He didn't shoot his gun into a crowd. He discharged his firearm into a berm in a crowded area (a crime and dumb thing to do still).

If there were cops nearby they also didn't do anything to the guy with the flamethrower. I would hope if a cop witnessed that they would have drawn and arrested the idiot.

[QBME]

Sheesh....we'ere about an hour from the beginning of the season....PB is a couple post's away from a milestone....Patler is preparing for his second game day experience......

Get a fuckin' grip...

[pbmax]

Sheesh....we'ere about an hour from the beginning of the season....PB is a couple post's away from a milestone....Patler is preparing for his second game day experience......

Get a fuckin' grip...

I'd give up that post to have better and more video.

[woodbuck27]

Sheesh....we'ere about an hour from the beginning of the season....PB is a couple post's away from a milestone....Patler is preparing for his second game day experience......

Get a fuckin' grip...

Ahh No !
This is what makes Packerrats get to the level of ' It's at it's best ! '

[QBME]

Ahh No !
This is what makes Packerrats get to the level of ' It's at it's best ! '

Ahh Ed... got it, to a point...

[pbmax]

I have no problem with overwhelming force to overcome a threat. But I don't see the threat. Perhaps there was, but I haven't seen anything convincing yet.

The letter from the Union chief is not convincing because he picked a side before any of this happened. His job is to defend and deflect.

The review procedures most organizations use is WAY too insular. Only police and their supervisors are on them. Citizen involvement is limited, some of them have no say, they are observers only. The Police protect and serve the public. If there are questions about their public conduct for their job, the evidence should be public. So I am not optimistic this gets cleared up.

The cameras being off should be a fireable offense.

The lack of thorough data being collected and reported by departments about interactions with the public is ridiculous.

A life threatening encounter with police (at the casino or doing air conditioner repair) should not rest on a fight/flight or flee response by a panicked individual.

[Rutnstrut]

I have no problem with overwhelming force to overcome a threat. But I don't see the threat. Perhaps there was, but I haven't seen anything convincing yet.

The letter from the Union chief is not convincing because he picked a side before any of this happened. His job is to defend and deflect.

The review procedures most organizations use is WAY too insular. Only police and their supervisors are on them. Citizen involvement is limited, some of them have no say, they are observers only. The Police protect and serve the public. If there are questions about their public conduct for their job, the evidence should be public. So I am not optimistic this gets cleared up.

The cameras being off should be a fireable offense.

The lack of thorough data being collected and reported by departments about interactions with the public is ridiculous.

A life threatening encounter with police (at the casino or doing air conditioner repair) should not rest on a fight/flight or flee response by a panicked individual.

It is pretty easy for us to "Monday morning QB" the situation. We can't say what we would do if we haven't been in that kind of situation.

[pbmax]

It is pretty easy for us to "Monday morning QB" the situation. We can't say what we would do if we haven't been in that kind of situation.

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

[woodbuck27]

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

pbmax do NOT waste your Posts.

In Canada we might say your a Jean Beliveau or a Bobby Orr away from 50 K Posts. They both are Famous NO. 4 NHL Hockey Jersey Wearers.

Actually... there was once upon a time a Famous Man that wore NO.4 in Green Bay.



Your 'All Day Sucker' is almost gone.

[bobblehead]

Actually... there was once upon a time a Famous Man that wore NO.4 in Green Bay.

Paul Molitor?

[mraynrand]

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

Just to clarify - do you believe that only a minority (the exceptions) of police departments are well-run?

[pbmax]

Just to clarify - do you believe that only a minority (the exceptions) of police departments are well-run?

I have no idea how many would qualify as well run or what percentage. What I was referring to was their ability to be publicly administered or self correct.

Because there is little baseline reporting on police interactions (the reports the feds put together must be supplemented by digging through public records to catch missed events from some departments that don't report at all) means that reporting and tracking is difficult. So I am not sure what the benchmarks would be for well run.

But improvement is hard if there is no self correct mechanism. And lack of reporting reinforces that.

[bobblehead]

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

I just realized you are one post from 50k.. I can be a complete dick to you and you dare not waste that post on pettiness I won't though. I respect the 50k too much.

[mraynrand]

I just realized you are one post from 50k.. I can be a complete dick to you and you dare not waste that post on pettiness I won't though. I respect the 50k too much.

I don't respect it at all! I will keep taunting him to waste his 'epic' post on some trivial response!

[bobblehead]

The cameras being off should be a fireable offense.
.

I tend to agree, but I THINK its not mandatory at this point in Las Vegas. I will say that their cameras being off lends credibility to Bennett's side of the story though.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't really care either way but why turn the body cams off? You only turn that shit off to do some shady stuff.

[texaspackerbacker]

In other racial news, 1 1/2 of the final two playing for the women's championship of the U.S. Open Tennis Tournament are black - and AMERICAN!

Funny how good news ends up in the back of the bus compared to irrelevant shit with the damn fake news media.

[mraynrand]

In other racial news, 1 1/2 of the final two playing for the women's championship of the U.S. Open Tennis Tournament are black - and AMERICAN!

Funny how good news ends up in the back of the bus compared to irrelevant shit with the damn fake news media.

wait, they still play professional tennis?