Montravius Adams

[woodbuck27]

I too still think it's a bit odd, because all the reports coming out of training camp were raves about his quick-twitch ability and his penetration. He was like the John Holmes of the defensive line group. But now he's invisible.

Good lord, let's hope it's not the Sherrod school of Packer history - talented guy gets drafted high, comes into camp, shows some promise (I will always argue that Sherrod did show promise as a left tackle - not as a run blocker but as a pass blocker), gets hurt, never lives up to promise.

I'll simply go with Sherrod was 'a BUST'.

TT doesn't do very well with 1st Round Picks.



2006 ... AJ Hawk..He never fulfilled his promise. He made a ton of money from Ted Thompson. Ohh 'You bought the Jersey ' !

2007... Justin Harrell...Dear GOD ! Ted waited though.

2008... TT traded down or out of the First Round.

2009... B.J. Raji...A Heavy Parking Lot Pylon.

2011... Derek Sherrod.TT demonstrated another level of patience there.

2013... Datone Jones. He is one team away from being on the Roster of every NFCN Team.

2015... Damarious Randall.Our newest NFL Poster Boy For 'I'm A Serious Problem Child'.

2017.. TT traded down or out of the First Round.

[ThunderDan]

I'll simply go with Sherrod was 'a BUST'.

TT doesn't do very well with 1st Round Picks.



2006 ... AJ Hawk..He never fulfilled his promise. He made a ton of money from Ted Thompson. Ohh 'You bought the Jersey ' !

2007... Justin Harrell...Dear GOD ! Ted waited though.

2008... TT traded down or out of the First Round.

2009... B.J. Raji...A Heavy Parking Lot Pylon.

2011... Derek Sherrod.TT demonstrated another level of patience there.

2013... Datone Jones. He is one team away from being on the Roster of every NFCN Team.

2015... Damarious Randall.Our newest NFL Poster Boy For 'I'm A Serious Problem Child'.

2017.. TT traded down or out of the First Round.

Funny, you missed Aaron Rodgers.

[ThunderDan]

2008 traded 1st round pick and got Jordy Nelson 6 spots later.

[Joemailman]

2008 traded 1st round pick and got Jordy Nelson 6 spots later.

2010 Bryan Bulaga

2012 Nick Perry

2014 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

2016 Kenny Clark

Can't wait for the 2018 pick.

[ThunderDan]

2010 Bryan Bulaga

[ThunderDan]

2012 Nick Perry

[ThunderDan]

2014 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

[ThunderDan]

2016 Kenny Clark

[ThunderDan]

Just for comparison 1st round picks for Dallas:
2005 DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears
2006 Bobby Catpenter
2007 Anthony Spencer
2008 Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins
2009 No Pick
2010 Dez Bryant
2011 Tyron Smith
2012 Morris Claiborne
2013 Travis Fredrick
2014 Zack Martin
2015 Byron Jones
2016 Ezekiel Elliott
2017 Taco Charlton

[Guiness]

Just for comparison 1st round picks for Dallas:
2005 DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears
2006 Bobby Catpenter
2007 Anthony Spencer
2008 Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins
2009 No Pick
2010 Dez Bryant
2011 Tyron Smith
2012 Morris Claiborne
2013 Travis Fredrick
2014 Zack Martin
2015 Byron Jones
2016 Ezekiel Elliott
2017 Taco Charlton

Who's this No Pick guy? Did he turn out?

Seriously, I read that quickly the first time and went 'I don't remember him...' then the lightbulb went on

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Who's this No Pick guy? Did he turn out?

Seriously, I read that quickly the first time and went 'I don't remember him...' then the lightbulb went on

one of TT's best first round picks

[hoosier]

Funny, you missed Aaron Rodgers.

And CMIII...

[woodbuck27]

Funny, you missed Aaron Rodgers.

I posted strictly those First Round Picks that are Busts or have some questions attached to them.

How many clear cut 'Voted In' Pro Bowls did AJ Hawk garner? He was a very high Pick and he didn't live up to what TT might have hoped for and his College Production.

Jordy is a tremendous WR. I confined my Post to 1st Round 'PICKS'.

[bobblehead]

I posted strictly those First Round Picks that are Busts or have some questions attached to them.

How many clear cut 'Voted In' Pro Bowls did AJ Hawk garner? He was a very high Pick and he didn't live up to what TT might have hoped for and his College Production.

Jordy is a tremendous WR. I confined my Post to 1st Round 'PICKS'.

So woody, who would you have picked instead of Hawk? You have to drop to the 12th pick, Haloti Ngata, to find someone with a clear cut better career than Hawk. Vernon Davis, Michael Huff, ooohhh...Jay Cutler.

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So woody, who would you have picked instead of Hawk? You have to drop to the 12th pick, Haloti Ngata, to find someone with a clear cut better career than Hawk. Vernon Davis, Michael Huff, ooohhh...Jay Cutler.

that looks like one of the most loaded drafts of all time, at the time

but it turned out to be complete shit

[woodbuck27]

So woody, who would you have picked instead of Hawk? You have to drop to the 12th pick, Haloti Ngata, to find someone with a clear cut better career than Hawk. Vernon Davis, Michael Huff, ooohhh...Jay Cutler.

There is so much that is LUCK and making a Draft Pick. The picks below were certainly productive game changers for their teams:

12 Baltimore Ravens Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

14 Philadelphia Eagles Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State

17 Minnesota Vikings Chad Greenway LB Iowa

20 Kansas City Chiefs Tamba Hali DE Penn State

I didn't look past the 2oth Pick; that wasn't a good Draft overall as I recall it.

[bobblehead]

There is so much that is LUCK and making a Draft Pick. The picks below were certainly productive game changers for their teams:

12 Baltimore Ravens Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

14 Philadelphia Eagles Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State

17 Minnesota Vikings Chad Greenway LB Iowa

20 Kansas City Chiefs Tamba Hali DE Penn State

I didn't look past the 2oth Pick; that wasn't a good Draft overall as I recall it.

You sort of prove my point though. No one...NO ONE would have made any of those picks at #5....except in hindsight.

[woodbuck27]

You sort of prove my point though. No one...NO ONE would have made any of those picks at #5....except in hindsight.

However you choose to 'slice and dice it'.

TT doesn't Draft well on'D' and that fact is certainly obvious (See Post #42).

[bobblehead]

I posted strictly those First Round Picks that are Busts or have some questions attached to them.

How many clear cut 'Voted In' Pro Bowls did AJ Hawk garner? He was a very high Pick and he didn't live up to what TT might have hoped for and his College Production.

Jordy is a tremendous WR. I confined my Post to 1st Round 'PICKS'.

So, like a good statistician you confined your criteria to meet your predetermined outcome...well played.

[Smidgeon]

I'll simply go with Sherrod was 'a BUST'.

TT doesn't do very well with 1st Round Picks.



2006 ... AJ Hawk..He never fulfilled his promise. He made a ton of money from Ted Thompson. Ohh 'You bought the Jersey ' !

2007... Justin Harrell...Dear GOD ! Ted waited though.

2008... TT traded down or out of the First Round.

2009... B.J. Raji...A Heavy Parking Lot Pylon.

2011... Derek Sherrod.TT demonstrated another level of patience there.

2013... Datone Jones. He is one team away from being on the Roster of every NFCN Team.

2015... Damarious Randall.Our newest NFL Poster Boy For 'I'm A Serious Problem Child'.

2017.. TT traded down or out of the First Round.

Woody, you're looking through anti-TT colored glasses, and it's majorly clouding your judgment.

From a post of mine back in April before the draft:

TT has only had a few mid or top of the round picks:
2006: AJ Hawk (#5). Reliable starter, eminently replaceable (but wasn't) in a draft that was overall just terrible.
2007: Justin Harrell (#16). A miss. Injuries killed his career. I don't like calling injured players busts as I reserve that for the Ahmad Carrolls of the NFL, but you can if you want
2009: BJ Raji (#9). Flashed very brightly in 2010 helping lead to a Super Bowl. I don't know how I'd rank him otherwise, but I'd trade the #9 pick in the draft for that kind of performance in a Super Bowl winning year.

Those are the only times TT picked within the Top 20. After Rodgers first starting season, he hasn't picked inside the 20s (barring a trade up, this will be the eighth year in a row). Restocking and finding quality is tough when two thirds of the league has picked their favorites before you get a chance.

Here are the rest of TT's first round picks in draft order:
21 (2014): HHCD - appears to be long term starter and a good player
23 (2010): Bulaga - long term starter and a good player
26 (2009): Matthews - the second first round pick that year, and someone who had several great seasons to start his career but has tapered off due to injuries; still a good player
27 (2016): Clark - too early to tell, but he flashed in the playoffs against a good Dallas O-line
28 (2012): Perry - not a flashy pass rusher, but a very good run defender, and some argue more important to the D than Matthews because of that
30 (2015): Randall - a terrible sophomore campaign that followed a very promising rookie campaign--he's got one more year to turn it around before we Casey Hayward him.
30 (2008): Traded into second round for Jordy Nelson
32 (2011): Sherrod - along with Harrell, the only (so far--Randall, I'm watching you) outright miss by TT in the first round, but again, due to injuries; as I recall though, many people hated the Harrell pick but loved the Sherrod pick at the time. Both failed for the same three reasons: injuries, injuries, injuries.

Anyway, with only 2 out of 12 (maybe 3 depending on how Randall rebounds) first round picks outright failing to deliver value for the Packers, I'd say he's done a pretty good job picking through the leftovers at the end of the round.

If Clark doesn't turn into something special though, I would think we're due for another star in this draft. It's random and completely unpredictable, but we haven't gotten a bonafide star for a while.